Tucker Carlson was a guest on the most recent episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, with the discussion sometimes bordering on absurdity. Talk about aliens, 9/11 conspiracies, and more permeated the conversation. Ben Shapiro has now taken aim at Carlson for his viewpoints.

On Monday’s episode of The Ben Shapiro Show, The Daily Wire co-founder argued Carlson isn’t the thought leader he believes himself to be after he claimed the United States was “evil” for dropping atomic bombs on Japan at the conclusion of World War II. He added that anyone who would defend the use of nuclear weapons is, by association, evil as well.

“This particular interview included a lot of conspiratorial thinking,” Shapiro noted.

“When Tucker talks, there’s a grain of truth to what Tucker says … but there’s a difference between healthy skepticism, the demand for evidence — that’s what skepticism is. Being a critical thinker is just a demand for evidence. That is not the same thing as ‘just asking questions.’ … ‘Just asking questions’ doesn’t make you a critical thinker,” Shapiro said during his criticism of the former Fox News host.

Ben Shapiro argued that Carlson’s recent conspiratorial turn makes him “the only person you can trust” when hearing the topic of discussion for the first time.

“According to Tucker, you have to believe Tucker, and if you don’t, it’s probably because you’re part of the conspiracy or cover-up. Because you’re ‘owned.’ Because you’ve become the ‘establishment’, because you’re weak, and you can be ‘taken over’ by nefarious forces. The only man of courage in this routine is apparently this truth-seeker Tucker, who apparently only asks questions but doesn’t actually examine the evidence on these particular issues. Because why do you need to know things when you can just ask questions?”

The Daily Wire co-founder concluded by stating that there once was a person who would “set fire” to such a narrative being presented in mainstream media. He argued that that person’s name is Tucker Carlson.