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Charlie Kirk: Vice News Downfall Came Because It ‘Became Boring’

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Vice Media recently canceled Vice News Tonight after a long critically successful run, and radio host Charlie Kirk is sad to see the downfall of the newscast that he thought was one of the most innovative and honest broadcasts available.

During his podcast Monday, Kirk took questions from listeners, and one asked about the fall of Vice Media, as it approached bankruptcy while reports surface it could be purchased. Kirk said the outlet was a large portion of “internet culture” in the early 2010s, but like other groups including BuzzFeed News, has fallen on hard times.

“We’re seeing media change as we know it. I think one of the most interesting parts of the Vice News story is that Vice used to be a legitimately interesting news organization. I first became aware of Vice from some of their incredibly effective and boundary-pushing gritty YouTube videos that were pseudo documentaries,” said Kirk.

“In fact, one of the most powerful pieces of film I have ever seen on North Korea was produced by Vice News. They embedded a camera and went into North Korea. Vice News went down to South America and exposed the drug cartels. It’s pretty amazing. They wouldn’t do that now. Vice News started as very gritty, boundary-pushing, and honest…Vice did documentaries about African cannibal warlords. It was the strangest, honest, stories that you could imagine.”

The Turning Point USA founder then claimed that after a valuation of $4-$5 billion, Vice Media lost sight of what made it popular.

“Vice News raised all this money, and then Vice decided to become boring,” argued Kirk. “They became a victim of its own success…Vice partnered with HBO for their nightly newscast…it just got boring. It just became ‘Oh, look at this evil Republican and Trump’. Trump really did break a lot of these people…Vice just stopped thinking for themselves. They stopped being interesting.”

5 New Additions to Barrett News Media

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Running a digital media company is hard. You read our articles, and see the names and faces attached to each story, but not the time invested in listening, reading, watching, researching, texting, calling, and emailing to deliver the daily content that we do. Every day I wake up energized to cover and consult the news and sports media business, but there are many times when I’ve asked myself ‘would we be fine if everything was cut in half?’

For nearly 8 years we have served the spoken word side of this industry unlike any other brand. I know that what we do matters to folks inside the business. I appreciate that, and don’t take it for granted. No other online outlet has twenty three contributors involved in daily coverage of sports and news/talk radio, TV, digital, research, and advertising, delivering two annual events, two daily newsletters, and providing consulting support to industry brands. The good news is that every year since starting this company, we’ve grown. I thought for sure that wouldn’t be the case in 2020 when the pandemic hit, but whether through luck, skill or an act of god, we survived, and thrived.

But though we continue to grow, changing industry marketing habits isn’t easy. I try to focus on doing good, quality work with high caliber people, making connections for partners, and producing results that demonstrate our value to the industry. I believe that if we do the right things consistently, doors eventually open. Once they do, I’m convinced they’ll become long-term relationships. Those are the type of partnerships I look for. We’re not chasing one and done deals.

As a business owner I constantly evaluate and analyze what is and isn’t working. I look at how much content we create, who we’re writing about, who reads our work, which of our writers is and isn’t connecting with the audience, how far our reach extends across the industry, if our traffic is up or down, if our advertising-consulting-membership-newsletters-conference businesses are growing, and how much we push and promote across all social media platforms through both organic and paid media. I then compare that to other outlets producing industry content to make sure we’re on the right path.

I also have to examine new opportunities, and if they are a worthwhile investment. There’s no bigger example of that then this past November when after months of discussion, we decided to give BNM its own platform.

When I made that call, I knew it’d take time for people to find the site, follow our social media accounts, sign up for the newsletters, etc.. We’re not even a full six months into that plan yet, and though there’s plenty of room for improvement, we’re making strides. I recently changed Demetri Ravanos and Garrett Searight’s roles, having Garrett specifically focus on BNM and Demetri prioritize BSM. They had worn two hats previously, and a split focus is hard to get the best results with. I also promoted Derek Futterman to BSM Contributing Editor to help with our daily stories, and begin adding creative features and on-site support at industry events. I’m hoping that having a laser-like focus on both brands will make us better. Down the line, I may add another FT editor to help us continue to grow.

But what most people notice on our websites is the content we create, and who writes it. We’ve built a good team over the past few months, but are always looking to get better. I don’t care if someone is old, young, black, white, gay, straight, conservative or liberal. If they have industry experience, love what we do, and can write and help us, they’re worth talking to. It helps that we concentrate on covering news media, not news. Writers can think whatever they want about politics and issues facing the world, but when it comes to posting content here, only one thing matters, how does it relate to the media business?

That’s one key item I value on BSM and BNM. Others are making sure we are fair, accurate, respectful, using good grammar, avoiding personal shots, and making sure the brand and my personal reputation are not damaged. I don’t believe those are unfair expectations. You can disagree with a brand’s decision, question a company’s strategy, interview people, share your opinion on a talent or executive’s handling of an issue, and 99.9% of the time I’ll support it. If you leave your politics at the door, it’s a fun, easy job. If those standards get violated, tough calls have to be made.

As pleased as I am with our current crop of contributors, I’m interested in growing. It’s why I launched the BNM Top 20 last December, and am hosting our first BNM Summit in Nashville this September. So today, I’d like to share some more positive news that I hope will make our readers happy, and bring a few more industry eyeballs to the BNM website in the near future.

Starting the week of May 15th, BNM is adding a few new columnists and a new features reporter to its stable. I am excited to welcome Brian Shactman (WTIC morning host in Hartford, CT), Peter Wilkinson Thiele (NewsTalk KZRG PD and Morning Host), Dr. Ed Cohen (Former VP of Ratings & Research at Cumulus & Former VP of Measurement Innovation at Nielsen/Arbitron), and Jessie Karangu (weekly columnist for BSM) as columnists, and Veronica Dudo (Former CBS & NBC News Journalist) as our new features reporter.

All five of these folks have great knowledge, and experience inside the industry. I’m eager to have them share their insights, opinions, and stories with you to help provide an even better content experience on BarrettNewsMedia.com.

While I am looking forward to having them create content for us, I do have to share that Jim Cryns is no longer with BNM. Jim did a great job for us in 2022, and the first few months of 2023, and I wish him all the best with his future pursuits.

I’ll have another column later this week with additional speaker announcements for the 2023 BNM Summit in Nashville. Please mark those dates down on your calendar now, Wednesday and Thursday September 13-14, 2023. Tickets have been reduced for the month of May to just $174.99. I hope you’re able to join us for the show, but in the meantime, please be sure to give a nice, warm welcome to our new contributors when they get started next week.

‘Beyond Preposterous’ to Think Tucker Carlson Will Be Silenced, Lawyer Says

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Axios has reported that Tucker Carlson is seeking assistance from his allies to pressure Fox News into allowing him to work for a right-wing competitor or start his own platform. This information comes from sources close to Carlson.

Carlson has hired entertainment lawyer Bryan Freedman in response to the contract dispute. Freedman has stated that it is ridiculous to believe that anyone can silence Carlson or prevent him from addressing his audience.

“The idea that anyone is going to silence Tucker and prevent him from speaking to his audience is beyond preposterous,” Feldman told Axios.

This conflict between Carlson and Fox News has significant implications for the conservative news industry. Fox has experienced a decline in ratings during Carlson’s time slot since his departure and is attempting to sideline him by offering him a $20 million annual salary not to work.

Much speculation surrounds Tucker Carlson’s plans to establish his own media empire. However, he requires Fox News to release him from his contract, which expires in January 2025, after the presidential election. It has been reported that other outlets, such as Rumble and Newsmax, have offered Carlson a higher salary than his current Fox contract.

Furthermore, Carlson has allegedly had conversations about working with Elon Musk, although the details of these discussions remain unknown.

Carlson’s close associates have stated that he is considering creating a direct-to-consumer media outlet where his large fan base can pay to view his content. This idea is similar to that of his predecessor in the same time slot, Bill O’Reilly.

After being released from Fox, Carlson posted a Twitter video at 8:00 PM ET teasing his audience with the message “See you soon.” The two-minute clip has since received 24 million views.

One of Carlson’s sources, who wished to remain anonymous, claimed that the ousted host “knows where a lot of bodies are buried and is ready to start drawing a map.”

Carlson’s allies, who have connections with major platforms, are reportedly preparing to launch an attack on Fox for attempting to sideline him. Additionally, those from Trumpworld, known for their combative style of politics, stand by to support Carlson.

Todd Starnes: ‘Amount of Apology and Remorse’ Needed From Broadcasters for Using Racial Slurs ‘Sad’

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On Monday, a Barstool employee named “Mintzy” stirred controversy when he used the “n-word” in his show. On Wednesday, Barstool’s President Dave Portnoy revealed that the parent company, Penn Entertainment, forced them to fire Mintzy from his job. On his Friday program, radio host Todd Starnes discussed the issue and mentioned that Mintz had apologized profusely for accidentally rapping the lyrics containing the n-word.

“As soon as he said it, it was a slip, an accident, it just happened,” said Starnes. “It’s not like he was going out there and intentionally calling someone that word. So anyway, he apologized profusely. It’s really sad that you must do that amount of apology and remorse that one must conjure when using that word.”

Inquiring about today’s society, Todd Starnes questioned what the unforgivable sin might be. He expressed his belief that, contrary to popular belief, it wasn’t murder but rather the use of the n-word that was considered unforgivable.

“If you go out and plunge a knife into somebody over and over is that the unforgivable sin?” Starnes said. “Or is it using the n-word? I contend that the unforgivable sin in America is not going out and shooting someone; it’s actually uttering that word. Because when you utter that word, they will destroy you. There is no going back from that; there is no amount of apology that you can offer. Your life is over.”

During his show Wake Up With Mintzy,  Mintz read rap lyrics from his phone and used the “n-word” as a component of the song. According to Portnoy, he, Barstool CEO Erika Nardini, and a notable company figure named Dan Katz (Barstool Big Cat) advocated for Mintz to retain his job. Despite their efforts, Penn Entertainment demanded that Barstool dismiss Mintz. Portnoy alleged that Penn executives were concerned about potential backlash from state governments.

Starnes likened the use of the n-word to a more heinous act than the 9/11 attacks.

“I’m calling it like it is,” added Starnes. “That is why on this program, I try to tell all of you, moms and dads, that you need to sit down with your white children and have the talk. One day, very soon, if they find out that you actually purchased a ticket to a concert where that word was uttered on the stage, they will come after you.”

John Catsimatidis, Joe Pags Agree: AM Radio Needs Saving

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During a conversation about the potential elimination of AM radio from vehicles starting next year, it seemed that John Catsimatidis, the owner of WABC Radio, proposed a job opportunity to host Joe Pags at his radio station. 

The destiny of AM radio and the publication of John Catsimatidis’ new bookHow Far Do You Want to Go?” were the topics of conversation between the two men on Friday during The Joe Pags Show.

“I don’t know if you’re aware, but I actually used to be a news anchor in Albany, and I remember driving down to do a show on WBAC on a Saturday. I greatly admire the station; it has a wonderful legacy,” Pags shared with Catsimatidis. However, before Pags could continue, Catsimatidis interrupted him and encouraged him to “return; we need more common-sense voices.”

The conversation shifted towards AM radio as Pags expressed his attachment to it, mentioning that he had listened to it since childhood and that losing the AM band would mean losing 150 out of his 170 stations. Pags went on to voice his concerns that AM radio might be phased out, but Catsimatidis interjected and confidently stated that AM radio was here to stay.

According to Catsimatidis, there are two reasons why there’s an effort to eliminate AM radio: firstly, some individuals are attempting to silence conservative viewpoints, and secondly, automobile companies are looking to charge listeners $9.99 per month to access AM radio.

“Let me tell you what Ford, General Motors, and Mercedes want to do,” said Catsimatidis. “Instead of giving you a $200 radio in your car, they want to give you a complicated system that will charge you $9.99 monthly to listen to AM radio. Do you know what happens if the grid goes down? You’re not going to have any radio, and you’re not going to have a car to drive.”

“We get our emergency alerts, our emergency system, whether it’s the weather or something else going on, from AM radio,” said Pags. “Plus, there are great conservative voices on AM radio all over the place.”

Chris Plante: New Newsmax Show Won’t Be ‘Anti-American Like MSNBC’

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Chris Plante is set to take on a more significant workload due to the launch of his new TV show, Chris Plante The Right Squad, which will premiere on Newsmax starting Monday.

Plante provided additional information about the show to his radio audience in Washington, D.C., last week, as stated in a press release from the network.

Plante, who revealed that Newsmax had been working on the show’s details in secrecy for several months, exclaimed, “It’s already great, and it’s going to be fantastic!”

The station’s lineup will change as the program replaces Prime News, but Jenn Pellegrino, the host of Prime News, will join Plante’s panel-based show.

“You can adjust your clocks accordingly across this great land of ours,” Plante said of the 9:00 PM ET start. “It is a panel discussion show led by me. At the table will be Jenn Pellegrino, the veteran Newsmax anchor. She’s wonderful; we’ve been working and playing together for a while now. There will be three other panelists; I know Mercedes Schlapp is brilliant, wonderful, fun, and pleasant.”

Plante stated that the panel-based show would have a revolving group of panelists besides Jenn Pellegrino and Mercedes Schlapp.

“It’s like the Mod Squad, a slightly updated version. For example, we’re not anti-American like MSNBC; we’re on our side. It should be fun. We have the news, the crazy news of the day, and what’s not funny about all the news we have every day?”

Jon Jansen Doesn’t Do Fake Energy

If Jon Jansen wasn’t hosting a radio show every weekday morning, he would still be waking up at the crack of dawn…or perhaps earlier.

“I love it,” said Jansen, co-host of Stoney and Jansen weekday mornings on 97.1 The Ticket in Detroit. “It’s part of who I am. I’m usually up at 330 4 o’clock in the morning. I know it’s weird but it’s just how I was built.” 

Jansen, a native of Clawson, Michigan and a former University of Michigan offensive tackle who played nine seasons in the NFL including one with his hometown Detroit Lions, enjoys coming to work every morning with co-hosts Michael Stone and Heather Park to talk about all of the sports teams he rooted for growing up. In the mornings, there’s more than just sports to talk about and Jansen is always fired up for the topics of the day.

“When I get in there, it’s not fake energy,” said Jansen. “I love the mornings. I love the opportunities to have conversations with people when they are either starting their day or they’re on the way to work. I love to laugh. I love to have a good touch of the non-sports topics.”

A big sports topic in town has certainly been the rise of the Detroit Lions, who have not won an NFL championship and have not been in the playoffs since 2016. Last year, the Lions got off to a rough start but eventually would knock on the playoff door but they came up just short with a 9-8 record.

It’s been more fun for Jansen to do his job with the Lions showing promise under Head Coach Dan Campbell. 

“We’re hoping that they’re out of the malaise,” said Jansen, a member of the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame. “We’ve gone down this road before but last year starting 1-6 and finishing the way that they did has made radio and covering the Lions and talking about the Lions that much more fun.” 

Jansen appreciates the fact that the listeners have also enjoyed the rise of the Lions and you can sense that there is a newfound excitement and energy about the team. There were certainly fans who were writing off the team and some of those fans are starting to come back, but there’s no doubt that their improvement has helped The Ticket’s bottom line and that’s ratings.

“We’ve had enough opportunity to bolster ratings when things don’t go well,” said Jansen. “So now it’s an opportunity for us to be able to capitalize on that for Stoney and I but also just as a station to have a team that you can energize everybody. It creates great debate for those who think it will never happen and for those who have drank the Kool Aid and they think that we’re in the middle of at least the start of something really special.”

Jansen has been in his morning show chair since October 5th, 2020 after he was named to replace Jamie Samuelsen, the beloved host who passed away at the age of 48 on August 1st of that year, five days after making the announcement on air that he had been battling cancer for 19 months.

It was an opportunity that came with great responsibility and he’s reminded of it on a daily basis.

“There’s no way to fill the shoes of Jamie Samuelsen and it’s an honor to sit in that seat and to go into that studio that holds his name every single day,” said Jansen.  

“When I came in, and Stoney really helped me with his guidance, his leadership, his mentorship in different topics that we cover and his acceptance of me was very key into the acceptance that our listeners had of accepting me as well.” 

The Lions are the number one topic of conversation in Detroit sports these days, but there are other teams to sprinkle into the conversation so Jansen is more than willing to talk about the Pistons, Tigers and Red Wings. They are not as far along in rebuilds as the Lions, but there is hope on the horizon.

“I grew up watching Steve Yzerman, the GM of the Red Wings, play and they’re still a year or two away but you can see progress being made,” said Jansen. “Same thing with the Pistons and what they’re trying to do there and you can see it with the young talent. It’s easy to talk about these teams but it also leads to frustration because the Lions are the furthest along in the rebuild, the Tigers are showing a heartbeat and it’s giving us something to talk about.”

Almost three years into being co-host of the morning show, Jon Jansen has established himself as a trusted voice for the Detroit Sports fan. When a fan of the Lions, Tigers, Pistons and Red Wings tunes in, they will hear someone who is just like them. He’s Michigan born and bleeds the colors of the teams who play there.

“I’d like to think that when people tune in, they’re able to hear somebody who loves what they do, loves Detroit and loves our sports teams but is as normal as they are, can laugh at themselves and just start the day off on the right foot,” said Jansen.

Play-by-Play Will Always Matter to Good Karma Brands

Long before anyone used the radio airwaves to share their opinions on coaching decisions and free agent acquisitions, there was play-by-play. There is no sports radio today if someone at KDKA had not had the brilliant idea to set up a table and microphone at Pittsburgh’s Motor Sports Garden in 1921 so that fans at home could follow the action in a boxing match between Johnny Dundee and Johnny Ray.

Play-by-play on the radio is as old as sports radio gets and yet, for Good Karma Brands, it is seen as the key to the business’s future. 

GKB has thirteen play-by-play partnerships across Major League Baseball, MLS, the NBA, NFL and NHL. Evan Cohen, the company’s VP of Content says each one of them is about more than just the games. Any partnership that a Good Karma station has with a team is built on the idea that it is a 365-day-a-year relationship.

“What team does not want their brand out there during the off-season? They love it,” he says. “We’re willing to do it during the off season as well and we want to do it. That doesn’t mean it’s taking over all of the shows, but that means if you’re going to tune into one of our stations, you’re going to go to one of our apps, or you’re going to go to our digital and social media channels, you’re going to know we’re partners with the team regardless of the time of year. So from a teams perspective, ‘Wow, we could be partners with this station in this company, and we’re really partners and we’re partners 365.’ They have enjoyed that.” 

The company is trying to build relationships that benefit everyone they touch. So, in a play-by-play partnership, listeners get the games, but they also get access to players, coaches and other personalities on their favorite shows.

Cohen is quick to point out that advertising partners get a lift too. He uses the company’s relationship with the Lakers at ESPN Los Angeles as an example.

“In one partnership with us, you get to be associated with ESPN LA, GKB and the Los Angeles Lakers. One partnership, three massive entities altogether. I’m not going to put us on the level of the Lakers, but you get the point, right? So I think if you just look at it as an 82, 162 or 17 game season, that’s short-changing the beauty of a play-by-play partnership.”

Debbie Brown, the company’s Executive VP, notes that the clients are not alone. Her stations get the same kind of benefit. It changes the way they are viewed by listeners and the community they serve.

“When a partner associates with sports, it elevates their brand. By us working with each of these individual teams, whether it’s the Lakers, the Knicks, the Rangers, the Bears, or anyone else, it elevates our brand. There’s an automatic brand lift by having those team associations,” she says.

The lift in advertising revenue and the goodwill built with those partners aren’t the only benefits that Good Karma sees in play-by-play relationships. There are also tremendous networking and educational opportunities.

The Chicago Bears are the newest play-by-play acquisition for Good Karma Brands. It is a team with passionate fan bases across Illinois and into parts of Wisconsin, Indiana and Missouri. Cohen says that GKB is benefitting everyday from conversations with the stations that serve Bears fans in those areas.

“I believe there are somewhere between 15 and 20 radio stations that we’re now partners with. We didn’t purchase a radio station, we don’t own the radio station, we don’t program the radio station, but as a result of the acquisition of the Chicago Bears partnership, we are now partners with 15 to 20 radio stations. So now we are legally, morally and ethically exchanging ideas. How could we not get better as a result of that? It’s impossible.”

There is a commitment to that benefit too. Good Karma Brands isn’t just looking to inherit a network built by whatever company was the team’s previous partner. The company is adding payroll as part of its commitment to its play-by-play mission.

“We have added two GKB teammates who just work on play-by-play, one who is the Director of Play-by-Play Partnerships and one whose role is exclusively to build affiliate partnerships,” Debbie Brown says. “I think as Evan was talking about, the way we’re trying to build our affiliate footprint and having that bigger network of stations that we’re working with, is unique.”

The Chicago Bears and White Sox, the New York Rangers, Islanders, Knicks, and Jets, the Milwaukee Bucks and Brewers, the Los Angeles Lakers, Rams, Angels and LAFC all call Good Karma stations home. None of them have as unique a relationship with the company as the Cleveland Browns do.

Cohen says the company approaches any meeting with a team honestly. GKB isn’t out to overpromise and underdeliver. It also isn’t going to tell a team why they shouldn’t be working with a competitor.

Good Karma’s relationship with any team is based on both sides evaluating how needs get met and how problems get solved. He says Cleveland is a great example of that.

The Browns wanted to be in business with ESPN Cleveland, but there was a problem. The team desperately wanted to be on FM radio. The station is on 850 on the AM band. It could not offer the team an FM stick. 

“Our management team at the time was Craig Karmazin, Keith Williams and Sam Pines,” Cohen explains. “Not only did they find an an FM station, they found what is deemed in the radio world to be our direct competitor (Audacy’s 92.3 The Fan). Why? Solutions to Problems. So Craig and Keith and Sam said to the Browns, ‘We think the best way to brand this is to put you on both sports stations. One of them is not even our company. But we are so confident in our ability to develop a partnership, and partnership really means finding solutions to any needs.’ 

“If the Browns had a need of an FM station, it wasn’t any FM station. These are the Cleveland Browns. This is this is life and death for people in Cleveland. They live off of this stuff. So let’s prop it up as best as we can. When the Browns hear us suggest that – if we’re Coca-Cola and we’re suggesting Pepsi – they know how serious we are about this.”

So much in the radio industry is changing so quickly in 2023. That doesn’t mean the old, reliable products of our industry don’t still have plenty of value to our businesses and our listeners.

Good Karma Brands prides itself on being as innovative as anyone, but innovation isn’t the only way to find and create value in broadcasting. Radio play-by-play is a time-tested and well-worn business model. So is starting business relationships with the idea of customer service in mind. Combining two things with long, rich histories has helped GKB develop a plan that leaders believe secures the company’s future.

Meghan Ottolini Blames Red Sox Radio Booth For Harassment From Fans on Twitter

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WEEI host Meghan Ottolini found herself taking a few shots from Boston Red Sox fans on Twitter on Friday thanks in part to the official account of the WEEI Red Sox Network.

Earlier on Friday’s edition of Jones & Mego, Ottolini expressed her irritation with Sox fans who were using a recent winning streak to try and dunk on those who thought Boston wasn’t going to be very good this year. She asked if fans could at least wait until the end of June or the all-star break in July to start saying who was wrong.

The Red Sox Network Twitter quote tweeted a clip of Mego’s comments on Friday afternoon, seeming to call Ottolini out.

Later on the show, Ottolini mentioned she was receiving some less-than-kind comments from some in Red Sox Nation.

“WEEI Red Sox Booth got everybody all riled up,” Mego said. “They’re mad at me.”

Ottolini said she has her suspicions as to who it was running the Red Sox Network account that called her out, but she stood by her comments that fans needed to pump the brakes.

“It’s a little early for the victory lap, sorry. No I’m not sorry, actually,” she said. “I apologize for absolutely nothing!”

Jones came to the support of Ottolini.

“Don’t let the Sox booth box you around,” he said. “If you want to go at the fans, go at the fans.”

Mego didn’t appear too fazed by some of the hate she was getting on Twitter, joking that she was not the victim of reverse bullying.

“I said something inflammatory, and now they’re bullying me,” she said.

After the Red Sox extended their winning streak to seven games in Philadelphia on Friday night, the Red Sox booth account seemed to pour it on.

https://twitter.com/SoxBooth/status/1654668481067974659?s=20

Boston made it eight in a row on Saturday before losing the series finale against the Phillies on Sunday. The Red Sox are in fourth place in the division, six games above .500 and hold the third wild card spot in the American League.

Pac-12 TV Deal Delayed by Entertainment & Tech Layoffs

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The Pac-12 Conference still is without a new media rights deal, and it appears that will continue to be the case for several more weeks.

Washington State University president Kirk Schultz recently said part of what’s held up the process for the conference has been the current economic factors in the country, the U.S. is currently experiencing a recession, and layoffs at the major companies the conference is negotiating with.

“If you said when would be the worst time in the last six years to try and negotiate a media deal, probably the last five months is pretty close to the worst,” Schultz told Jon Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News.

Without naming names Schultz indicated that companies like Amazon and ESPN, which have been linked to media rights talks, are in the process of laying off thousands of employees, and announcing a new deal worth millions of dollars while many are losing their livelihoods is not ideal.

“I know at least one of the partners we were talking to said, ‘We’re ready to sign today, but the optics of us announcing that we’re laying off X number of people and we signed a multimillion-dollar deal with the Pac-12 are just not the best, so we’re going to have to wait six weeks,'” Schultz said. “Clearly, the optics are something those folks are really worried about.”

Regardless, talks on a new deal are progressing.

“Our conversations are going well,” Schultz said. “But at the end of the day, if I’m a fan, I’m skeptical until you say, ‘Kirk, make an announcement, tell me the dollar figure, tell me everybody’s signing the grant of rights, and then I’ll leave you alone.’”