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Our Audience Has Changed And Larry Rosin Will Tell You How At The BSM Summit

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You are going to want to hear what Larry Rosin has to say when he is on stage in LA next week for the BSM Summit. 

Let me rephrase that. You may not WANT to hear what he has to say, but you do NEED to hear it.

Rosin, for those that are not already aware, is the president of Edison Research. The company is responsible for two surveys that cause a lot of buzz in our industry. One is The Infinite Dial, which has been studying digital media consumer behavior since 1998. The other, Share of Ear, studies audio consumption across all platforms.

These are surveys that routinely tell us that radio companies have work to do when it comes to retaining listeners. Still, Rosin says things may not be as dire for the sports format. That doesn’t mean it is all sunshine and roses if you are skipping Luke Bryan for Luka Dončić.

“I agree with the general point of view that sports talk radio is better positioned, better prepared for the future,” he told me. “But at the same time what I would say if the mall you’re in has less and less foot traffic, it doesn’t matter how good your store is, at some point you’re going to suffer, right? So you can’t ignore the condition of the mall and say ‘well, two of my stores are doing well’. Sooner or later, if people stop coming to the mall, it’s going to affect your store.”

The population of our country has changed. Different groups are gaining in population. People are moving multiple time zones away from where they grew up. As a result, our consumption of sports information has changed. 

Local radio isn’t going to be able to meet everyone’s needs. Add to that the fact that a whole generation of listeners are not used to working on a schedule for content and it is clear, competition for radio stations is so much more than just what is on the other frequencies.

“One thing about audio is there’s no second screen. You can’t listen to two things at the same time,” Rosin says. “So I mean, it’s competition, right?  On demand is the single most powerful wave to hit media consumption in our lifetime. So for some people, they want to hear whatever the local sports talk station is saying at any given time, but for other people, they might be sharing that time with on demand options.”

Plenty of information from the latest Infinite Dial survey will be presented while Larry Rosin is on stage at the BSM Summit, but there will be more. He will be bringing along information that is only available to those in attendance.

The specifics of that information I do not know. What I can tell you is that Rosin and his team have all of the information to prove that there is nothing temporary about the changes we are seeing. “That’s how we’ve always done it” and “that’s just the way it is” are phrases that no longer have a place in our collective brain and vocabulary. 

It doesn’t matter what you grew up with. Consumers of all ages make choices based on content. They always have. Now, there are more options for where they can find the content they like.

“No one is loyal to amplitude modulation or frequency modulation,” Rosin says bluntly.

He expects to field some questions from skeptics at the BSM Summit. That happens everywhere. It comes along with the territory when part of your job involves presenting truths that may make your audience uncomfortable.

If you dismiss every specific Rosin shows you, the one thing he hopes you remember is that we can do better. Great talent deserves investment. Great content should be on every possible platform. The path forward for our industry will involve a mix of institutional knowledge and new information.

That doesn’t mean rushing to jump on the AI bandwagon. Rosin will tell you that the idea of artificial intelligence creating radio content “scares the hell” out of him. Edison Research is compiling what the audience is telling us matters in terms of audio entertainment. The best course of action for us as an industry is simple. Pay attention to what they are saying!

“Listening to the radio has dropped dramatically in share of ear since 2014 when we started doing that survey. And by the way, Nielsen shows the exact same thing,” Rosin says. “You can choose not to believe it. I’m sure some could say ‘my board is lit up as much today as it was ten years ago’ or ‘my audience loves me as much as it did ten years ago’ and all those kinds of things to make yourself feel good. But back to my metaphor from before, as fewer customers come to the mall and those customers are spending less money when they do come in, it may not kill you in the short term. It may not even kill you in the medium term. If you’re at this summit, you have a stake in this and you want it to be something that’s alive and kicking 15, 20, 30 years down the road.”

Matt Fishman Wants To Spark Ideas At the BSM Summit

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While Matt Fishman is a baseball fan and keenly aware of the movie Field of Dreams, its signature phrase “If you build it, he will come” depicts a dual meaning. In fact, it is somewhat indicative of the seismic change the sports media industry has experienced over the last decade to be expounded on next week in Los Angeles at the 2023 BSM Summit.

“Before, you would build it and [consumers] would come wherever you were,” Fishman said. “Now, you really need to be everywhere where people consume content.”

Some sports media pundits would posit that baseball has been slow to evolve towards today’s generation of consumers. While the game remains popular among key demographics, it is cognizant of its need to appeal to youth to maintain a steady growth trajectory.

With its content offerings easily accessible to consumers and due diligence on the sudden, yet previously anticipated cataclysm of regional sports networks, it can be ascertained that the league remains well-positioned in the market.

This season, the league is instituting a pitch clock to hasten the pace of play, while also introducing larger bases and limiting defensive shifts to increase offensive output and run production. Those in baseball hope it attracts a younger audience and maintains interest in the game, just as Fishman, Director of Content at Good Karma Brands’ ESPN Cleveland, hopes innovations in the digital space keep its content relevant and accessible.

Although these decisions may seem obvious from an outsider’s perspective, they require collaboration, negotiation and experimentation before becoming official. As it pertains to baseball, iterations of these new rules have been tested in the minor leagues for the last several years, and just like any change, will surely require an adjustment period for players, managers, umpires and fans.

In the short term, they may seem like an inconvenience, but in the long run, Major League Baseball hopes this innovation keeps the game more relevant than it otherwise may have been.

Fishman and the team at ESPN Cleveland have utilized a variety of resources to guide their future strategy, one of which is the BSM Summit. As a regular attendee of the annual event, Fishman eagerly anticipates connecting with managers, broadcasters, and personnel from around the country. Through this organic exchange of ideas, he looks to stay ahead of the curve and implement ideas and practices gathered from the two-day conference in Los Angeles back in Cleveland.

“There are some incredible speakers and new things to learn,” Fishman said. “In sitting in [the sessions], I may learn a lot more than the people I’m looking forward to seeing speak.”

The audio landscape is in a constant state of flux through dynamic consumption habits and evolving means of dissemination. Just 10 years ago, the distribution of audio consumption would be somewhat unrecognizable through a prevalence of vehicular listening and fledgling selection of podcasts.

“If you fell asleep 10 years ago and woke up today, you would be blown away by how audio is consumed,” Fishman expressed. “Yes, there are still people, and it is primarily in their cars, who listen on the radio – and even that’s changing with electric cars and the dashboard of the future.”

From Chicago to Cleveland and everywhere in-between, Matt Fishman’s journey through sports media has included many twists and turns. His foray into the industry ensued after being cut from his high school baseball team, largely because of his struggles at the plate.

Today, he remains immersed in baseball and professional sports at large as a content director, helping curate and shape the sound of the audio space in Cleveland on terrestrial and digital platforms. In doing so, he keeps his eye on the ball and tries not to swing and miss. The BSM Summit is effectively one means within a robust scouting report.

Before attending the event, Fishman wrote a weekly column for Barrett Sports Media, giving him the opportunity to reflect on his previous stints in the industry at 670 The Score in Chicago, KCSP in Kansas City and SiriusXM on its Major League Baseball and college sports programming. He was able to proffer his ideas to an audience working in or interested in learning about the sports media space, effectively preparing him for the next stage of his career.

“It was a great time to reflect on best practices,” Fishman said. “‘What’s the best thing to do when you’re on-site? How do you handle a crisis situation? What do you do when you’ve got a difficult talent?’ [These were] all things that sort of came up through one story or another and how you would deal with them in sort of a fantasy land, and then talking to people who were dealing with it.”

Aside from escaping the frigid temperatures of Cleveland and spending time in sunny Southern California, Fishman looks forward to watching established professionals in the industry take the stage and provide their thoughts on the business.

In particular, Amazon Prime Video Thursday Night Football play-by-play announcer and longtime sports broadcaster Al Michaels is someone he is excited to hear speak. Michaels, who has called 11 Super Bowls and a litany of other showcase events, will be receiving the BSM Lifetime Achievement Award for his time in the industry and the impact he has had on sports media as a whole.

“Probably my earliest major memory is the Miracle on Ice in 1980 – I was eight years old – to every other major sporting event,” Fishman said. “I remember Al doing ABC baseball and even doing college football before he was doing the NFL. He’s just a legend in our business, so it will be really interesting to hear his reflections on what he’s done and how media has changed.”

In working for Amazon Prime Video, which primarily distributes its broadcasts through its OTT platform and other forms of streaming, Michaels has gained a greater understanding of the burgeoning digital growth imbued in the industry.

Aligning in this belief, Fishman helped oversee the opening of brand new studios for ESPN Cleveland in the Flats East Bank district, located alongside the Cuyahoga River, a facility equipped with the tools for the next generation of media. With high-definition cameras, superb audio quality and editing systems, the location further underscores the emphasis Good Karma Brands is placing on both short and long forms of immersive digital content, the live aspect notwithstanding.

“We have a three-person digital team who is responsible for turning out video, whether that’s video created in our studio or video created at a game locally or what not,” Fishman said. “I think anything we can learn there on how to excel and grow our digital product is worth the time in Los Angeles.”

Good Karma Brands and ESPN Cleveland know its competition lies beyond the audio industry, a principle reason as to why they are focused on creating and distributing content everywhere.

Through The Land on Demand subscription service, original podcasts and, of course, entertaining and compelling sports talk radio, the company encompasses what it means to be a 21st-century media outlet. Instead of persuading others to adopt similar business operations through pontificating speech and pompous divulgence, the company has, through its practices, inspired others to remain vigilant and curious.

Simultaneously, Fishman and his team look at the industry from a broad perspective and appropriate conferences and other data to gain a deeper, more comprehensive understanding of the landscape.

For example, at last year’s BSM Summit in New York City, Fishman observed the digital strategy equipped by program director Raj Sharan at Bonneville-owned Denver Sports (104.3 The Fan; ESPN Denver 1600; DenverSports.com) in Denver, Colo. Through conversations, ascertainment and quantifiable metrics, he consummated an understanding of the brand and related it to ESPN Cleveland as a whole.

“[I saw] what they were doing both from a research standpoint to find out what their fans like and attacking it through digital content postings for the Colorado Avalanche and the Denver Nuggets,” Fishman said. “I look at them as being innovative in the digital space, and that’s an area [where] we’re growing and looking to grow,” Fishman said.

Further proof of digital content’s augmentation in today’s marketplace is evident within the most recent edition of the BSM Top 20 for national sports radio shows. While many programs such as The Herd with Colin Cowherd and The Jim Rome Show implement visual elements to the program, they largely entered the space during a time when innovation in the space moved at a slower pace.

Both hosts will be attending the BSM Summit in Los Angeles to share their philosophies on the industry and how they have stood out in a crowded media landscape through simulcasts, podcasting, social media and other avenues of promulgation.

Nonetheless, The Pat McAfee Show was voted as this year’s No. 1 national sports radio show; yet it has largely built its following on digital platforms with a visual element. McAfee, who also hosts a podcast version of his show, attended the 2020 BSM Summit in New York where he was honored as the winner of the Tony Bruno Award.

Since then, he has had a precipitous rise in the industry and pairs his hosting role with an on-air job at ESPN that has allowed him to contribute to college football coverage, most notably on College GameDay. For Fishman, McAfee is a prime example of what it means to be a sports media personality in today’s day and age, and he aspires to learn as much as he can about the direction of digital and social media.

“I would bet most of the people who voted on that have never listened to Pat McAfee as a radio show,” Fishman said. “They’ve consumed his show on social media, and it does such a great job of putting stuff out that I think it’s something everyone should look to emulate.”

When the Supreme Court made a decision that overturned the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Association (2018), the legalization of sports betting was rendered a regulatory power. As a result, it became up to individual states to decide whether or not it would be legalized, decisions that would have synchronal effects on the advertising space.

Some states, such as Delaware and New Jersey, moved quickly to legalize the practice, while others such as California and Florida have yet to deem it permissible. Nonetheless, sports media practitioners from around the country have become aware and immersed with the practice and are eager to learn more about its future.

Ohio officially legalized sports betting in January, and last year’s BSM Summit featuring appearances by executives from DraftKings, Fanatics and FanDuel assisted Fishman in preparing for the landmark moment in his state.

“Just learning about new things is what I think the best part of the BSM Summit is,” Fishman said, “[and] just seeing how different stations and media groups are doing different things.”

Aside from attending the event, Fishman will be a participant during its final panel fittingly titled One For The Road. Joined by Sean Thompson of Arizona Sports and Brian Long of San Diego Sports 760, Fishman will share three promotions that his station has executed leading to increased revenue. Through his knowledge and expertise, he aims to communicate clear and effective strategies and compel others to consider instantiating them in their workflows.

“I look forward to sharing the three things that I pick because I think they may spark ideas in their own markets for the programmers in those markets and other markets to think about [and] try and take what we’re doing,” Fishman said. “I feel honored to speak, and it’s great being able to give back to this community to help other stations do well.”

Although attendees will have to wait until next Wednesday afternoon to find out just what Fishman will say on stage, he advises fellow programmers to put the consumer first and align their strategies to larger marketplace trends.

As a manager, Fishman garners the responsibility of developing and implementing strategy at ESPN Cleveland, meaning that he works directly with talent both in the office and on the air, along with keeping a line of communication open with key stakeholders. By being adaptable and willing to embrace change, ESPN Cleveland has experienced success across terrestrial and digital platforms and yearns to keep its momentum.

“Things keep changing in the media landscape and [in] how people consume audio, video [and] digital content,” Fishman said. “If you’re afraid to try new things, you’re going to be dead as a programmer and dead as a media outlet.”

Bomani Jones: The Daily Wire Really Wants Brett Favre To Sue Me

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Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre is moving forward with defamation lawsuits against Shannon Sharpe and Pat McAfee for claims made about the Packers legend’s involvement in a money misappropriation scandal.

Favre’s attorney Eric Herschmann appeared on the Daily Wire podcast Crain and Company where he talked about the lawsuit. The appearance caught the attention of ESPN host Bomani Jones, because there was a suggestion by one of the hosts that Jones should be named in the suit as well. Back in January, Jones dedicated an entire episode of his HBO series Game Theory to Favre where the scandal was discussed.

Over on The Right Time, Bomani thought it was ridiculous to suggest such a thing.

“I’ve had things to say but I ain’t really had a lot because there’s not much to say,” Jones said. “But number two, let me tell you something about HBO, dawg. They got lawyers, bruh. We had to run that script by so many people. Because we were not going to let this very thing happen.”

Jones was fired up about it, adding that there was literally nothing in the show that could be construed as defamation.

“Why do y’all want them to sue me?!? Like I just can’t believe how stupid you motherf—ers are,” Jones said. “Like you think you can just get sued for saying something? Saying something, that’s it?! And why would you say it out loud? That’s all I’m saying!”

Bomani continued with the fact that networks like HBO have standards and practices departments who were able to chime in when appropriate in terms of what was said in any packages or scripts on the show.

“It’s because in every meeting when somebody put something in the script or even said ‘Brett Favre stole from poor people,’ we have somebody to pop up and say, ‘Well actually Brett Favre gave the money back and has not been charged with any crime,'” Jones said. “Therefore you cannot say Brett Favre stole.”

Astros, Rockets Want Control of AT&T Sportsnet Southwest

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The Houston Astros and Houston Rockets are looking to take ownership of their local broadcast rights as their regional sports network prepares to go away.

Warner Bros. Discovery is getting out of the RSN business and told teams that have local TV rights with the company’s AT&T Sportsnet RSNs that they have until the end of March to take back the rights.

According to Sports Business Journal, the Astros and Rockets have a particular interest in taking control because of the remaining carriage deals in place with TV providers Comcast, DirecTV and U-Verse. Those contracts are believed to have 10 years or so left on them.

The decision by Warner Bros. Discovery to liquidate its RSNs comes as the Astros prepare to begin a new season. MLB has established a local media department that would work with teams to make sure regular season games get aired in the event a deal with an RSN goes south.

MASN, Nationals Head Back To Court Over Unpaid Rights Fees

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The next chapter in the saga involving the Baltimore Orioles, Washington Nationals and regional sports network MASN played out in an appeals court in New York on Tuesday with $100 million in media rights fees in escrow up in the air.

The arguments heard in New York’s Court of Appeals stem from arbitration over rights fees paid to the Nationals by MASN from 2012-16. The Orioles and Nationals co-own the network, but Baltimore are majority owners.

The Orioles have appealed a 2019 ruling by an arbitration panel of three MLB executives. The team wants the appeals court to determine whether the forum of arbitration used has been unfair. If the court finds that it was unfair, the Orioles are seeking another round of arbitration using a different, unbiased forum.

A ruling from the court is expected sometime next month. If the court finds in favor of the Orioles, the dispute will go back to arbitration. If the Nationals win, Baltimore could try to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, but the case is likely to be heard. If the panel of judges splits, the dispute will be reheard.

Diamond Sports Group Files For Bankruptcy

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After months of speculation, Diamond Sports Group, owner and operator of the Bally Sports regional sports networks, has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

The news of the company’s bankruptcy filings broke on Tuesday night. Diamond Sports had 30 days after it missed a scheduled debt payment to enter bankruptcy protection. The company currently owes more than $8 billion in debt.

Diamond Sports Group will go through a restructuring and eventually become a standalone company.

“With the support of our creditors, we expect to execute a prompt and efficient reorganization and to emerge from the restructuring process as a stronger company,” Diamond Sports CEO David Preschlack wrote in a statement.

It’s believed that Bally Sports will carry on with normal operations while the bankruptcy process plays out. If Diamond Sports misses a rights fee payment to one of the 14 MLB teams it has contracts with, the team would be free to break the deal.

MLB is preparing for any fallout that could result in local markets losing their RSN. At the start of March, the league announced it had established a new local media department, which would work with the teams to make sure games are aired both through MLB.TV and a cable channel to be determined.

Diamond Sports will inevitably cut ties with a few teams, as the company looks to ramp up its Bally Sports+ service to help build a sustainable business. The idea is that the platform would become a one-stop shop for streaming live games, buying tickets and merchandise and placing bets on games.

Mike Florio: Michael Irvin Dropping Lawsuit Only Raises More Questions

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Lawyers for Michael Irvin dropped the Pro Football Hall of Famer’s lawsuit against Marriott Tuesday morning after receiving the security camera footage of his interaction with an Arizona hotel employee that led to him being removed from NFL Network’s Super Bowl coverage.

After the announcement, Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio claimed the decision to dismiss the lawsuit — without prejudice, meaning Irvin’s team can re-file a lawsuit — only brings up more questions.

“Marriott dug in its heels and refused to give it up, and ultimately pissed off the judge by defying his order as to the terms of disclosing the video — anytime someone acts like they have something to hide, it makes me think they have something to hide,” Florio told 105.3 The Fan’s Shan & RJ.

“Ultimately, it just raises more questions. How many different times was this version told? How many different versions were told? What was told to the NFL? I perked up and I think Shan I texted you about this when I saw that Marriott claimed the NFL actually got involved and interviewed the employee directly and saw the video before making the decision to remove Michael Irvin from the airwaves.

“There’s a hell of a story to be told here, and there’s a lot that deserves to be tested by cross-examination and scrutiny. We know what Marriott claims, but just the fact that they were so resistant and reluctant to put any cards on the table makes me wonder how strong the story is going to be. And I also wonder how far up the ladder this goes in the NFL, and if the NFL is going to be in the jackpot over all this.”

It is not the first time Florio has insinuated the NFL and NFL Network could be liable should Irvin want to turn his attention in that direction. Last week, the Pro Football Talk founder said it was clear someone — whether it be within the league office or at Marriott — overreacted, adding that he believed Marriott’s long tenure as an NFL sponsor played into the league’s quick response.

Ken Carman: If I Didn’t Have Anthony Lima, I’d Get Fired For Being Too Negative

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Earlier this week, ESPN Syracuse host Brent Axe was fired after company executives believed he was “too negative” about Syracuse sports. 92.3 The Fan morning host Ken Carman shared he would end up in the same situation if it wasn’t for his co-host Anthony Lima.

While discussing Axe’s firing, Carman pointed out that the Cleveland Browns have only been good for one season since he’s began hosting in the city in 2011, and he has had his fair share of negative comments about one of the NFL’s worst teams over that time period.

“There’s been times I’ve gotten pretty negative about the Browns,” Carman said. “If I didn’t have Lima with me to reign me in, I can’t imagine some of the opinions I’d have. I need someone to give me a dose of reality. I’m serious about this. There needs to be some checks and balances.

“I remember some of the things I said at night, and I wanted them to do well, I would talk myself into horrific ideas. I remember some of those things — because Facebook will remind me — and I think ‘My god in heaven’, so when I have Lima there to go ‘Ken, come on’, and give me points A, B, C, and D, then that will kind of change that belief.”

Carman then pointed out that while the Browns have been one of the NFL’s worst teams during his tenure, neither he nor Lima have received backlash for any of their sentiments about the franchise.

“I’ve never been — and you’ve never been — marched into an office over an opinion you’ve shared about the Cleveland Browns. And we’ve had a lot of fun at the Browns’ expense. And there’s never been a time, not once. I’ll say that into a polygraph.”

Carman continued by saying Lima’s dose of “realism” has kept him grounded after frustrations have abounded with the Browns.

Ad Time For NCAA Women’s Tournament Sold Out on ESPN

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The popularity of women’s sports is on the rise by any meaningful measurement. The latest comes in terms of dollars and sense. ESPN reports that its ad inventory for the NCAA Women’s Basketball Tournament is sold out.

Disney’s VP of Advertising Sports Brand Solutions, Theresa Palmieri, said that advertisers have “flocked to these offerings.”

Sponsors have not only bought every available in-game ad. They have also bought out the inventory on pre and postgame broadcasts. Capitol One will be the presenting sponsor of those. AT&T has signed on as presenting sponsor of megacast coverage of the Women’s Final Four featuring former UConn teammates Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi.

ESPN joins CBS and Warner Bros. Discovery in the accomplishment. Inventory across both the men’s and women’s tournaments are completely sold out.

This couldn’t come at a better time for the NCAA. The organization has a deal with ESPN for all of its championships, aside from men’s basketball, that runs through 2024. The current contract is worth $34 million, but a report last year suggested that the women’s tournament could be worth as much as $112 million on its own.

Mike Felger: NFL Insiders Don’t Realize You Can’t Win ‘Em All

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Yesterday, former ESPN host Trey Wingo set the sports world ablaze with a tweet that a deal between the Green Bay Packers and New York Jets to send future Hall of Famer QB Aaron Rodgers to the Big Apple was “done”. That was refuted by others, and Mike Felger of 98.5 The Sports Hub lamented the coverage provided by NFL Insiders.

Minutes after Wingo’s tweet, Felger & Mazz broke into their discussion with the report that Rodgers had been traded.

“We’ve got ESPN and NFL Network up on the monitors, and no one is picking it up,” Felger said.

Then a producer mentioned the reason NFL Network wasn’t running with the story was because the network’s Ian Rapoport had already refuted the claim.

“You don’t get every story. Just because you don’t have it doesn’t mean it’s not happening,” Felger said. “I experienced that for years with The Globe. If The Globe didn’t have the story, it wasn’t a story. Trey Wingo has it and no one else has it, that means it’s not happening?”

After playing a clip of NFL Network disregarding the tweet saying they had to “try to make sense of random tweets without context, Felger said “They’re dumping on the tweet. Hey, a-holes, you don’t have the story. It’s ok. Just get to it.”

The show continued to air the clip, which caused Felger to say “I stand with Wingo. #IStandWithWingo” at the conclusion.

“Teams play games — or agents do — in this sort of thing. They string people along,” co-host Tony Massarotti said.

Felger turned his attention back toward Rapoport.

“(Wingo’s) got something. Let it go. In this particular case, you suck,” Felger said. “You can’t win ’em all.”