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Andre Gardner Calls Induction Into Broadcast Pioneers Of Philadelphia Hall Of Fame ‘the perfect close to my 47-year radio career.’

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Andre Gardner held down afternoons at Philadelphia’s Classic Rock 102.9 WGMK for 22 years. He fell victim to Beasley budget cuts last month. (BMM 10/8)

In a rare move, the station allowed Gardner a final show to explain his departure to the audience and “celebrate good times.”

On November 22, Gardner and nine others will be inducted into the Broadcast Pioneers Of Philadelphia Hall Of Fame, an honor that Gardner says is “[t]he perfect close to my 47-year radio career.”

100.7 WLEV Adds Some Star Power To Christmas

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Cumulus Media’s 100.7 LEV, known as the Lehigh Valley’s Christmas Station, is hosting a special holiday event featuring acclaimed actor Daniel Roebuck.

Roebuck recognized for his performances in films such as “The Fugitive” and “Final Destination,” will appear alongside the station’s morning show hosts, Selena & Crockett, to mark the transition to 24/7 Christmas music. This event will take place on Friday, November 15th, at 8:00 am.

The upcoming event at WLEV Studios coincides with the release of Roebuck’s latest film, “Saint Nick of Bethlehem. ” This heartfelt holiday story was shot entirely in the Lehigh Valley. Additionally, Selena and Crockett make a cameo appearance in the film.

“We’re incredibly excited to have Daniel Roebuck join us for this special occasion,” said Jerry Padden, Program Director at 100.7 LEV. “It’s a perfect way to kick off the holiday season and celebrate the magic of Christmas music.”

“Saint Nick of Bethlehem” will premiere on November 17th and will be showcased at various theaters across the Lehigh Valley through Christmas.

Noah Reed Joins NBC, Peacock for College Basketball Play-by-Play Role

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Play-by-Play broadcaster Noah Reed has been added to the team of basketball broadcasters at NBC and Peacock. Reed posted on his X account about the new role and that he will start with a game this weekend between Illinois and SIUE.

“Thrilled to join NBC’s college basketball team, starting tomorrow night at Illinois,” Reed wrote. “The defending Big Ten Champs are coming off a trip to the Elite 8 last season and hosting SIUE at 8 p.m. ET on Peacock with Stephen Bardo.”

Reed started with ESPN in 2022 and signed a contract with them in the summer of 2023 and has called college football, basketball, volleyball and softball for the network. He has also called games for Missouri on SEC Network+ as well as Ball State University, Southern Illinois University and the University of Evansville on ESPN+.

Reed attended Ball State and called games for several sports for the school. Reed teamed with Connor Onion, another rising star on the play-by-play scene, on a sports talk show, On the Clock: With Connor Onion and Noah Reed.

After spending the 2017 season with the Peoria Chiefs, Reed spent 5 years with BEK Sports Network calling games for North Dakota State University.

Fox News Sets Post-Election Ratings Records During Kamala Harris Concession Speech

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Fox News led both network and cable news for the election night coverage centered on the race between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. That audience carried over into Wednesday, too.

As Vice President Harris made her concession speech on Wednesday, 7.9 million viewers tuned to the cable news network to watch. Of those 7.9 million, 1.4 million were in the key Adults 25-54 demographic.

MSNBC averaged 2.3 million viewers while CNN saw 2.2 million. On the network news side, ABC News featured an audience of 2.4 million while an additional 1.8 million watched the speech on NBC News.

Fox News saw high ratings throughout the day, not just limited to the speech from Kamala Harris. Special Report with Bret Baier saw an average audience of 5.1 million viewers, according to Nielsen. Additionally, The Five was watched by 7.2 million viewers.

The network averaged an audience of 5.1 million viewers during its primetime window. For the total day, it averaged 4 million viewers.

How Many More iHeartMedia Layoffs Will We Have to Go Through Before Real Change is Made?

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As we wrap up yet another week in our industry where less people had jobs than they did the week before, I have to wonder how many more cuts companies like iHeartMedia are going to go through before they address the real problems. High level executives, people who had worked their tails off to earn promotions to leadership roles, people who had been with the company for decades – all gone in an instant.

And iHeartMedia isn’t the only ones, other companies have laid off people recently as well as they look at their year and see the need to try and cut to prosperity. Unfortunately, that rarely works and as revenues continue to go down, the cutting will go up.

I have said this before, and I will say it again to be perfectly clear. If you work for a big media company and you are not trying to figure out what your next step is, it is your own fault when, not if, you get caught up in the next round of layoffs. How many more signs do you need?

If you are an air talent working for iHeartMedia you should be doing whatever you can to take your audience to your own platforms. Whatever your “contract” allows for, figure it out and do it while you still have a job. Both on air talent and those in sales need to tighten those relationships with clients.

Salespeople have a double-edge sword in the sense that not only can they lose their jobs, but what if key talent from the station(s) you sell get let go? What happens when more syndicated programming takes over for local programming and there’s less talent to sell for endorsements?

We have also hit another stage in the world of media layoffs. This is the stage where ‘We are having financial troubles, so we are letting a bunch of people go’ now becomes something any media company can say whenever they want, and nobody will question it. As always, actions speak louder than words, so when a company cries poor and says they have to have layoffs, then hires other people right away or makes investments in other things, you have to question what the real reasons for the layoffs really were.

It is very similar to what I have written in my sales columns before about ad agencies. If you are a salesperson and an ad agency tells you that your competitor ‘dropped its pants’ and lowered their rates, you wouldn’t think twice about it, because you’ve heard that so many times before…except maybe this time, you are getting played.

Regardless, when will this end with iHeartMedia? When will someone be smart enough to step in and say that this is only going to keep happening unless there is major, drastic change? What is the company doing to prevent the next round of layoffs?

And when will these companies stop trying to pass off things like this from iHeartMedia spokesperson Wendy Goldberg, who said about the recent cuts, “Although in a company of 10,000 people very few jobs have been affected, there have been some and we never take this step lightly no matter how few jobs it entails; every team member is important to us and has our respect and appreciation.”

So, ‘Sorry we let you go right before the holidays. Sorry we have so much debt we don’t know what to do with. But hey, it was only 500 jobs cut, so we still have 9,500 more to go!’

500 of our comrades went into work like they always have, loyal soldiers doing their best, only to find out that day was their last.

A lot of people in our industry like to turn to the government for help when radio can’t solve its own problems. I’d like to turn to the government and ask how many employees can a company lay off before someone steps in and says, “ENOUGH!”?

Sell some stations, give them away to churches or schools or anyone else that would take them. Shut them off. Start over. Do SOMETHING besides constantly making our industry look terrible. Bankruptcy obviously didn’t fix anything, so what is next? What is the plan to avoid this happening again next year?

This is a mess of epic proportions, and we just go on like nothing is happening. Are we just to expect more and more people will lose jobs and everyone should just wait out their time until the hammer comes down on them? Is that what this has all come down to?

Each of you can only control yourselves. But if you aren’t looking and figuring out what your future looks like and how you get away from working for a company that has more layoffs than Jos. A. Bank has sales, that’s now on you.

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The Best/Worst Thing I’ve Heard/Watched/Read Recently

I wanted to give a tip of the ol’ cap to a longtime friend in this space this week, ESPN College GameDay. If you haven’t tuned in this year, and the viewership numbers show many of you have, you need to see the show with the addition of Nick Saban. I have written this a few times, but I think Saban is great. Both he and Bill Belichick have brought something different to football coverage this year, but Saban is such a perfect fit on this show.

Saban, the addition of Pat McAfee’s often hilarious field goal challenge for charity, all of it, as good as ever. Sure, I could nitpick it and find some things to say I wished happened more or less on the show, but there is just something about having that show on during a Fall Saturday morning that gets you pumped up for the pageantry of college football.

Take a look at this clip of the show and tell me this doesn’t get those juices flowing:

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In Case You Missed It

Typically, I wouldn’t choose the same writer or feature in back-to-back weeks, but once again I want to highlight our latest Meet the Leaders feature presented by Point-to-Point Marketing from Demetri Ravanos. Demetri talked with Alpha Media Chief Revenue Officer Mike Hartel.

The entire interview is very informative and Hartel offers great perspective on the industry. One topic was talent and where the next wave comes from. Hartel asks, “…where are the new stars coming from? In morning drive and afternoon drive, especially with top 40 and rock, the stars are the same people that have been there 25 years. We’ve got to replenish.”

He went on to talk about the stars of the terrestrial radio industry who have left for television or satellite radio and said, “If we had those stars, as a medium, radio would be in a very different place than what it is today. That’s something that’s within our control, but we can’t let too much more time slip before we get back on track with that.”

If you missed this one, be sure to click here and take a look.

News Talk Radio Needs to Capture the New Young Diverse Men Coming to the Republican Party

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The 2024 Presidential Election is in the books and Donald J. Trump will be the 47th President of the United States of America. Millions of voters around the country are celebrating the win, but News Talk should be celebrating, and strategizing, following the victory, and it has nothing to do with the policy that the former, and future President, will implement.

Since the News Talk format has been around, the belief around News Talk radio has been older, white men. And while the bulk of overall listening is still likely to come from this demographic, it would be foolish to not look at the shift in voter demographics and figure out how we can get these new Republican voters to consume our content.

Donald Trump is fresh off setting a GOP record for Latino vote. According to Axois, President Trump was backed by 46% of Latino voters Tuesday, surpassing Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush to win the biggest share of the national Latino vote by a Republican presidential contender in modern times, a new exit poll shows. And the skew, as expected, was heavier amongst men, with 55% of Latino men voting for Donald Trump, and 38% of Latina women.

Trump’s overall support among Latinos surpassed the 44% then-President George W. Bush, a Texan, received in 2004. President Ronald Reagan took 37% of the Latino vote in 1980 and 34% in 1984.

As Axois notes in its piece, “Andrew Smith, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley, says South Texans have long been socially conservative and that Trump’s messaging on the economy and immigration landed well there.”

Those who are socially conservative are natural fits to be talk radio listeners. And that’s not because we are banging a political drum all day, but it’s the mindset and worldview of most of our hosts and that frames the topics we talk about, whether it’s pop culture, local news stories, or national politics.

Then, there’s the young male voter. According to CNN’s exit polling, Trump won men aged 18 to 29 by 49% to Harris’ 47%. By comparison, Biden won that group 52% to 41% in 2016. This shift has continued in recent political cycles. Young men are moving to the Republican Party, and that’s young white men, young latino men and young black men.

According to this Politico article, Trump won one-fifth of black men, doubling his number from four years ago. And of note in the article, “Several Black voters in the Detroit-area told POLITICO last month that surrogates and high-ranking party officials questioned their intelligence and came off as condescending.”

These are voters who can be potential listeners, and while those listeners may not be searching vehemently across the radio dial, because it’s not the world they may have grown up with, it will be our job to find them where they are, likely on social media, and try to drive them back to radio, when possible.

However, one of the advantages we should have here is that the overwhelming majority of these individuals are working class, meaning they’re not the white collar, work-from-home crowd. They’re in their cars. We are right there for them.

And we know they are interested in our content. Look at all the podcasts targeted at young men that Donald Trump and his surrogates joined this election season: Joe Rogan, Bussin’ With the Boys, YouTuber Logan Paul, comedian Theo Von, Lex Freidman, YouTubers the Nelk Boys, political commentator Ben Shapiro, and entrepreneur Patrick Bet-David.

These are young, diverse, in-demo listeners we should be targeting to draw them into our local programming content in our communities to grow our brands on all our platforms.

Now that we are having that conversation, how we go about doing it will be different in each market, but should be a priority to grow our pie, rather than just trying to double down on the pie that already exists.

Dave Levora’s Planet Is A Great Place to Be

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Dave Levora, PD/morning co-host/midday guy on Regional Media’s Alternative Planet 93.9/Quad Cities, IA-IL, never intended to spend 30 years in the market. “When I came here in 1995, I wrote my five-year plan in a notebook, and Step One was ‘Spend no more than 12 months in the Quad Cities,’” he admits. Over the past three decades, he’s run with the big boys – including Cumulus, Connoisseur, and what’s now iHeartMedia – but his past five years at a local company have been amazing.

In January 2020, Levora was part of a wave of layoffs at iHeart, and he thought that was his last chapter in radio. “I figured I had a good run. I’d worked for the big companies in town, and I was done with radio, so I needed to figure out what the next step is,” he says. But then the owner of Regional Media asked him to go to lunch, and Levora eventually said yes, even though he had his doubts about the overall future of radio and his place in it.

This lunch is where things get interesting, as the Regional Media owner asked Levora a question every PD aches to hear. “He says, ‘I’ve got this station, 93.9 FM, and what would you do if I just gave you the keys and said you could do whatever you want with it?’” Levora recounts.

When Dave heard this, his mind instantly went back to the reason why he arrived in the Quad Cities in the first place – to work at KORB (Planet 93.5). “It was such a great station, and it was so exciting,” Levora says. “1995 was an incredible time to work in Alternative radio, and that station really connected with people in this market. It was this super-cool Alternative station and brand that people loved.” Even 20 years after KORB flipped to Hot AC, locals were telling him how much they loved and missed The Planet.

So in that moment, Levora made his pitch: “I told him that I would bring back The Planet, but I wouldn’t want it to sound like an Alternative radio station in every other town. I would go back to the roots of what that movement was about, which was listening to stuff that wasn’t on the radio, and I would build a station for people who can’t stand radio, and I explained all the rules I would break,” he says.

Levora was quick to make sure the owner wouldn’t interfere because if he was really getting to do whatever he wanted, that’s what he wanted. “He said, ‘Great, why don’t we do that?’ It was one of those moments where I was like, holy [expletive], I could really do this?” Almost five years later, Levora’s vision is still going strong as Planet 93.9. And right now, every PD is probably thinking “no way,” but secretly incredibly envious of Dave.

Asked about what rules he’s breaking, Levora says the first one is that The Planet plays too much new music. “I can hear the voices in my head telling me everything I’m doing wrong, but I’m not interested in these things we did when we were just trying to hold onto quarter-hour listeners,” he says, laughing. “We play too much old music, we play too much unfamiliar music, and that’s all done on purpose.” It’s Levora’s goal to have people think “I haven’t heard that in forever!” when they hear a random track on the station.

Taking aim at most stations’ positioning at launch, Levora admits that people will buy into a new station’s claims that they play a variety of music – for the first couple of months. “After six or seven months, it becomes repetitive, and repetitive is good if you’re concerned about quarter-hours and audience retention, and you never want to play anything that will challenge an audience,” he says.

With The Planet, he believes it’s okay for the station to occasionally play a song that a listener won’t like. “We trust that you’re mature enough to handle it that every once in a while, you may hear a song that’s not for you,” he says, “but I also don’t want to pretend we’re living in a world where the audience can’t listen to whatever they want whenever they want. They don’t necessarily need us, but when you’re curating with intention and putting songs on that make sense together, it draws them back.”

Levora understands the analogy about radio being like listening to someone else’s playlist with commercials. “I think it should be a really cool playlist,” he says. “It should have a bunch of stuff that you wouldn’t think to include or things you haven’t heard in forever.”

He also isn’t afraid to go back in time for music discovery and feels like listeners shouldn’t be limited to finding out about new-to-them music that’s only a few weeks old. “I hear people say they couldn’t believe how much they loved a song, then they Shazamed it and found out it’s from 2005,” Levora says. “That’s terrific – if you fell in love with TV on the Radio, for example, because you heard it for the first time on our station and you haven’t heard it anywhere else, I’ll take that as a win.”

When he puts these unique tracks into rotation, Levora extends trust to the audience. “They have audio permanence,” he explains. “It’s not like your listeners are dogs or babies where they freak out if you leave the house because they think you’re never coming back. I understand that if an audience member thinks that a song isn’t for them and they push the preset to another station, I’ve built something worth coming back to – and they will. It’s not like they’re never going to listen to The Planet ever again. To think that they’ll leave because of one song is madness.”

And that’s a solid basis for Levora’s philosophy: He’s built a station that respects his listeners, doesn’t pander to them, and expands their musical horizons a bit. “I don’t know if you could get away with this with a lot of other formats,” he admits, “but the whole point of the Alternative format is that we’re the weirdos playing the weird music. Everything doesn’t have to be #1.”

The variety is what distinguishes The Planet from his crosstown competitor run by one of the big companies (rhymes with “Shy Smart Wikipedia”). “I get feedback that it’s harder and harder for our listeners to go back to them because the audience is so much more aware of how repetitive it is when they’re given another option,” Levora says.

He makes an effort to vary the sounds being played on his station as well. “You have to think about new music in the context of what else is being played,” Levora says. “I don’t want everything to sound a little too much the same, so how do I find something that stands out?”

He cites “Sailor Song” by Gigi Perez as one of those newer tracks he’s currently playing to mix it up a bit. “I love that song, and I love that it doesn’t sound like Foo Fighters or Imagine Dragons or Cage the Elephant,” he says. “I want our listeners to realize they’re not going to hear this anywhere else, but the hoop I ask every song to jump through before I put it on air is that it’s really, really good.”

What’s listener response been like? Levora did a homegrown call for research earlier this year, where he put a call for input up on the website. The station calls its listener base “Planeteers,” and Levora asked them to give honest feedback via a questionnaire – both the things they like about Planet 93.9 and the things they don’t like.

“The feedback, for the most part, was super-positive, but someone who’s going to take the time to go to your website and tell you what they think about your station is someone who is probably already biased,” he admits, “but I have to say – I didn’t mind reading pages and pages of comments.”

While everyone who responded also received a sticker, Levora says he was blown away by the thought listeners put into their submissions. “We’ve built something that is different, and our positioning statement is that we’re fiercely independent and locally owned. The themes in the feedback seemed to be that the listeners understand what we’re trying to do, they understand why we’re doing it, and they really appreciate having something completely different than what’s available in other places,” he says, also joking that he finally sent out the last of the stickers earlier this month but still can’t get the taste of envelope glue out of his mouth.

Having rabid followers is essential for a station to succeed, and Levora thinks that it’s like having fans who claim you’re their favorite band. “You’re going to doodle the name of that band on your notebook, you’re going to talk about that band on social media, and you won’t shut up about them,” he says. “It’s no different for radio – you need passionate advocates.”

Levora’s take on the importance of radio, in general, is an interesting one: He feels like having a really good radio station is an indication of the quality of life in a market. “I’ve always thought that your town is judged by how good are the breweries, how good are the coffee shops, and how good are the radio stations,” he says. Considering the ridiculous amount of reaction the station also gets from out-of-market listeners who are streaming online, having The Planet in-market reflects well on Quad Cities.

With this version of The Planet coming up on its five-year anniversary, Levora is still excited about what he’s doing. “This is a dream job, and I wasn’t prepared for people to love what we’re doing enough to have it be important to them,” he admits. “I was worried for the first year or so about how long they’re going to let us get away with this. But the owner’s only goal is just to make something cool and make something that people really like, so we’re able to deliver that, and that’s super-satisfying.”

Mission accomplished, Dave.

Stream The Planet live at planet939.com.

Sample hour: Tuesday, November 5 at 4pm CT

Balu Brigada – “So Cold”

Queens of the Stone Age – “Emotion Sickness”

Jack White – “Taking Me Back”

Jimmy Eat World – “My Best Theory”

Live – “Selling the Drama”

Blink 182 – “What’s My Age Again?”

Black Keys – “I’m With the Band”

Pixies – “Here Comes Your Man”

All Time Low – “Once in a Lifetime”

Dandy Warhols – “We Used to Be Friends”

Green Day – “Bobby Sox”

Coheed & Cambria – “The Suffering”

R.E.M. – “Star 69”

Jawny – “Take It Back”

Audioslave – “I Am the Highway”

MJ Lenderman – “She’s Leaving You”

Media Sales Executives Need to Be More Don Draper, Less Herb Tarlek

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Traditionally, our role as salespeople was clear: meet with clients and focus primarily on selling radio spots—enter WKRP’s famous peddler, Herb Tarlek. Clients had to meet with other reps if they wanted TV, newspaper, or direct mail. Not today. With stations now offering a full suite of services, including digital marketing, SEO, SEM, website development, OTT, email, and more, we must adapt and channel our inner Don Draper, the iconic Mad Men ad agency account executive. We can draft solutions that drive business growth by exploring the client’s needs and capabilities. While developing the necessary product knowledge, creating proposals, and executing campaigns takes more time, this effort is essential for successful outcomes. For success, you must digest and invest.

Understanding the Expanded Role

Most of us now have access to a comprehensive range of marketing services and have established partnerships with outside vendors to offer white-labeled solutions. This evolution allows us to provide clients with integrated advertising strategies. Like Draper, we need to broaden our skill set and approach client interactions with creativity and insight. We must recognize that if a client has financial resources, we should present well-rounded, long-term campaigns. This requires collaboration and time to develop creative fulfillment, placing us at the center of the process, much like an ad agency AE.

We Do It All

One hallmark of an effective ad agency account executive is their ability to build strong, trusting relationships with clients. They invest time in understanding the client’s business, goals, and challenges, then collaborate with their agency team to develop tailored campaigns. By adopting this mindset, we can position ourselves as strategic partners rather than just salespeople. This involves asking insightful questions, actively listening, and customizing recommendations to fit each client’s needs.

In our roles, we wear many hats: project manager, proposal writer, researcher, communicator to vendors and clients, presenters, and even bill collectors. We need to become advisors and multi-channel presenters. Last week, I sold radio spots, digital billboards, email campaigns, and targeted display ads. Some clients focused solely on digital, while others embraced a multi-channel campaign.

Offering Comprehensive Solutions

Clients today expect integrated marketing solutions and are typically uninterested in juggling multiple sales reps for a single deal. By embracing the Don Draper approach, we can elevate our target accounts to those with the resources to invest in comprehensive campaigns, not just 13 weeks of radio ads. We must leverage both traditional and digital media, using radio to drive traffic to a client’s website or social media pages.

Staying Ahead of Industry Trends

With new technologies and platforms emerging regularly, we must stay well-versed in these trends and adapt our strategies accordingly. Understanding the latest in digital marketing, social media algorithms, and consumer behavior is crucial. This knowledge enables us to provide clients with cutting-edge recommendations. Maybe we should meditate like Draper to expand our thinking!

The Data Dump

Data-driven decision-making is a cornerstone of today’s advertising landscape. Analytics allow us to measure campaign performance and adjust strategies in real time. Radio reps should adopt this practice by utilizing data from both radio and digital campaigns to inform their recommendations. For instance, if a radio ad campaign generates significant online traffic, we can analyze this data to suggest increasing ad spend or expanding the campaign to include additional digital channels.

By channeling your inner Don Draper and pushing yourself for self-discovery to learn more, you’ll secure longer-term, more profitable contracts—maybe even write a legendary jingle! You’ll also be learning new skills and staying ahead of the curve to solidify your future in this business. By building strong client relationships, offering comprehensive solutions, staying ahead of industry trends, and leveraging data, we can position ourselves as indispensable partners in our clients’ marketing efforts. So, let’s leave the plaid jacket behind, meditate, and embrace the skinny suit.

Gregg Daniels Of ‘Free Beer & Hot Wings’ Is The Instigator And Agitator

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Gregg Daniels is the Driver and Host of the nationally syndicated “Free Beer & Hot Wings Morning Show” (FBHW). He is also the lead play-by-play guy for college football and basketball for Compass Media networks. He originally got into the business because of his passion for Sports.

Daniels (Free Beer) and Chris Michels (Hot Wings) were roommates in college, and both started in radio in their college town, Mt. Pleasant, MI, home of Central Michigan University in the mid-90s. “Post graduation, we were both hired by our former professor Vicky Jacoba, who was starting a broadcast department with a 100,000 station at Iowa Western Community College, right across the Missouri River from Omaha, NE,” explains Daniels. “So there we were in a great market, on a non-commercial station, where ratings really didn’t matter, and it gave us a chance to learn and experiment. We had no idea how good we had it. The station grew in ratings and revenue after it switched from classical jazz to alternative as 89.7 ‘The River.’” 

“We stopped playing music on the show in late 2004, at the urging of our then GM Phil Catlett,” says Daniels. “He said he was tired of his fellow church members telling him they loved our show but left when Fall Out Boy came on. We were lucky to have him advocating for our growth.”

“I am the lead, the instigator, and the agitator on the show,” Daniels says as he describes the characters on the show. “Hot Wings is strong opinions and joke sniper stuff. Steve has been our executive producer since 2009, and he handles all the off-air stuff that keeps us going. He is also somewhat in charge of keeping us on track on the air. Kelly Cheese joined us from Atlanta in 2019; she has some producer duties like imaging and social media but is a Co-host who lives her authentic life. Maitlynn joined us last year. She is a co-host and producer. Fun, funny, and authentic. And Tommy is our 25-year-old Blippi-esque phone screener.”

“Our show’s primary role is to be a distraction from real life most of the time. Our prevailing theory comes from Jim Valvano ESPY’s speech when he was dying of cancer. It’s an odd starting point for a rock radio show but a great programming theory. He said every day (paraphrasing) that he would laugh, think, and cry or feel emotion. Is there a better goal than that for a morning show?”

“As for our passion project for the show, Jeff and Jer gave us (we called and asked) their ‘Breaking and Entering’ Christmas idea back in 2001. We have been doing it under the name ‘Holiday Breakins’ for 21 years. We have loved it so much that we started a charity called ‘Idiots from Underdogs’ which distributes funds and helps people who just need help to bridge a gap or an expense they couldn’t have seen coming. It’s funded by the people who subscribe to our podcast (Idiot members) as well as donations. This year, we have helped nine families to the tune of more than $70,000.”

Daniels’s philosophy on show prep is: “A life well lived is the best show prep out there. It’s true, but I also have six boys 12 and under with my wife, so that’s most of my life,” he says. “Only so many kid stories we can do. But we have a diverse group on the show with diverse interests, so it works out. We all have different sources that we prep from; then everyone puts it in a shared Trello file. Then, in the morning before the show, I go through it all, and with everyone’s thoughts, we make a rough plan and go from there. Our show plan is mostly just an outline for timing purposes.”

“Our two biggest instances where things felt upside down on the show over the years were both prominent, long-tenured show members leaving,” says Daniels. “It’s difficult for a show that asked people to get to know us and know our families and friends and then have the people they love disappear. They (the listeners) always want explanations, just as we would. But what we are allowed to say doesn’t meet the expectations.”

I asked Gregg how to get Women more involved in a historically male-dominated format. “We have two women on our show,” he says. “We were definitely an ‘all-boys club’ for a long time. When we hired Kelly, we were very upfront with her. We wanted her to be a woman on the show but not be ‘the woman on the show’ in the traditional sense. We wanted her to have the same show ground rules as everyone else. She wasn’t there to police us or represent all women any more than we represent all men. Adding Maitlynn, who was a former intern twice over and beloved the entire time, was another step in that direction. Honestly, the two of them would make a great morning show I would listen to. So, we are lucky to have them. Adding them to our show made us more well-rounded, in some cases dirtier, and gave all of us needed perspective.”

As for what’s ahead for the show, “Hopefully a long time of success, or at least mediocrity,” Daniels says. “Did I mention the six boys at home? Hopefully, we will continue to evolve and be able to do the show the way that we think it should be. We hope to grow the charity more and the online portion of the show even more. And hopefully not be replaced by AI.”

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RJ Choppy Knows the National Media is Tuning In When Jerry Jones Appears on 105.3 The Fan

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RJ Choppy is currently in the midst of his 14th year co-hosting in morning drive on 105.3 The Fan alongside Shan Shariff. The formidable duo, which has proved to be a source of information and entertainment to its audience, frequently welcomes an assortment of guests to discuss the local sports teams. During the NFL season, the Shan & RJ program interviews Dallas Cowboys owner, president and general manager Jerry Jones every week to gather his thoughts on the state of the team.

Choppy estimates that Jones has been on their Tuesday show approximately 280 times and knows they have asked him an assortment of difficult questions ranging from matters on the gridiron and beyond. As the Cowboys struggle to collect victories and risk extending its Super Bowl championship drought to 29 years, Jones has received criticism over perceptions of insufficient offseason action and subpar roster construction.

Last month, Jones was asked about his approach in the offseason, a query towards which he purportedly took umbrage. As part of his response, he emphasized to Choppy and Shariff that it was not their job to have him scrutinize previous decisions and that he could get someone else to ask him the questions. Taken as an apparent threat to their livelihoods, Choppy remembers shock pervading the studio with a heightened sense of awareness towards the assertive response being delivered.

“There’s a lot of times where we’re doing a Jerry interview, and he’ll say something and we don’t pick up on it because we’re trying to figure out, we’re trying to listen [and] we’re also trying to figure out what we’re going to ask next,” Choppy said. “That, there was no figuring out. We looked around the room like, ‘What’d he just say?,’ because we know he’s not our boss, he doesn’t employ the radio station, he doesn’t pay the radio station.”

The comments that Jones made quickly circulated around the country and became a subject of national news, eliciting discussion in other marketplaces and debate television. Choppy was inundated with interview requests and ended up appearing with Dan Patrick to talk about the situation and give his thoughts. Measuring its nationwide impact, however, is an onerous undertaking since he has not left the state since it occurred, but he has nonetheless received feedback and plaudits for his work.

“Your name’s everywhere and people like to call you up and say, ‘Hey man, great interview,’” Choppy said. “That’s really cool to hear. I think when you hear other media members compliment you, that’s good to see, especially because it’s about something that is kind of unique to geek out on from a journalist perspective is the interview. The listener loves to talk about the bits you do [and] the fun you have, and then the other media members, they really focus on the technical side of it, and that’s, a lot of times, the interview.”

As Choppy is hosting his show, there are three televisions on within the studio, and he has noticed networks such as ESPN including quotes from the conversation before it concludes. In fact, Jones’ weekly interview has become appointment listening for football fans, recently divulging the impending acquisition of a wide receiver to bolster the offense minutes before the trade was reported. Even so, the show does not navigate their discourse on the Cowboys any differently and works to ask pertinent questions of interest.

“It has become a national interview, and it’s wild because 20 years ago, Jerry didn’t do [this],” Choppy recalled. “They didn’t have all these shows for one – it wasn’t the news cycle the way it is now – but I never would have guessed that they would spend all day, every day talking [about] Dallas Cowboys football regardless of how bad the team is, but that is half their programming on some of these national TV shows and talk shows, and I never would have guessed it would have gotten to that, but it has.”

When the show concluded, Choppy’s boss entered the studio and asked him and his colleagues to hand over their key cards in jest over Jones’ seemingly incendiary remarks. Even though Choppy evinces the power of billionaires and their ability to dismiss people, none of the show cast felt there was a tangible threat that they were going to lose their jobs. Moreover, he is appreciative of Audacy, the parent company of 105.3 The Fan, backing the show amid the fallout, along with the media members who came to their defense.

“I couldn’t believe what was happening, but you know sometimes when you go into these interviews with Jerry… he wants to make a statement because he wants the fans to know that he’s upset too, and that totally happens, and I think that’s what happened here and it just went a little bit more off the rails than he had hoped for,” Choppy presumed. “And we didn’t want it to go off the rails either, but it did.”

Having interacted with Jones over the years, Choppy believes that he loves being in the spotlight and wants to be viewed as someone involved in football. Part of this sentiment, Choppy articulated, was in Jones feeling contempt towards the fact that former head coach Jimmy Johnson was depicted as receiving all the credit for the two Super Bowl championships the organization won in the early 1990s.

“I think that if you were to tell Jerry he could win a Super Bowl tomorrow, but he would have to hire somebody else to be the general manager and he would have to step away and have no fingerprints on the team, I don’t think he would do it,” Choppy surmised. “I don’t think he would.”

In addition to the Cowboys, the station is also the flagship radio home of the Texas Rangers, who won the World Series two seasons ago. While Choppy does not want to lose either team and regards them as great partners, he conjectures that 105.3 The Fan would still thrive without them because of the personalities it has established across dayparts. The equation would differ if the outlet was in its formative years; however, it has had ample runway and capitalized on opportunities to establish itself in the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex.

“I don’t think great radio stations feel they need to have play-by-play,” Choppy said. “It’s a good addition – it’s a good addition to every radio station – it should never be the primary reason for your success. If that’s the case, then the success might be a little faulty, and I don’t think that’s the case though.”

As it pertains to competition, 105.3 The Fan faces an array of verticals competing for attention amid a dynamic, multiplatform modern media ecosystem. Within the traditional sports talk radio format, 1310 The Ticket has garnered scores of listenership and also recently won a prestigious NAB Marconi Award given to major-market stations. The shortcomings in the traditional ratings system have required Choppy to evaluate the show through a variety of quantitative and qualitative manners, including whether or not he would end up tuning in and if they can ultimately retain their audience.

“We go on these firehouse tours every month [where] we’ll do our show from a different firehouse,” Choppy said. “Do the people want to show up at 6 in the morning at a random firehouse around town to say ‘Hi’ to us, to meet us, to watch a show? Some of those are all little parts to success that pile up into one really good thing that we’ve got going.”

Choppy and Shariff were both hired by Bruce Gilbert, who formerly served as an executive overseeing the station, but he departed shortly into their tenure to join iHeartMedia. Gavin Spittle was hired to manage programming for 105.3 The Fan, and he arrived at a time when the show was struggling in the ratings and both hosts were nearing the end of their contracts. Even so, he had faith in their abilities and gave them both extensions, allowing them to continue building synergy that would resonate with consumers. The prudent decision has paid dividends, and Spittle has demonstrated his service as an invaluable resource to Choppy and his colleagues.

“He’ll help with content,” Choppy said. “Sometimes we’ll be sitting there – I’ll be just sitting there at 1:00 in the morning, and he’ll shoot us an email. We’re already asleep, but it’ll have a couple of topics that he found or angles that he found, and he’s been really, really good.”

Deviating from common practice of utilizing a producer to ideate and execute topic selection, the individual hosts work together to determine the layout of the program. The process includes Bobby Belt, who was added as a third show voice two years ago. While the show has had three-person hosting configurations before, Choppy discerns that Belt has allowed the offering to take off, part of which comes in the expression of dichotomous personalities.

“I look to laugh first,” Choppy explained. “I also am very counterintuitive. If I hear one thing, I want to look at it and say, ‘Alright, what am I missing here? The whole world thinks of this way – what am I missing?’”

The weekly interviews with Jones have proven to generate content that has engendered discussions within the sports media landscape. Part of the benefit in being the flagship station of the Cowboys since 2009 is the access the shows receive to key personnel before and after live game broadcasts. On the contrary, play-by-play partnerships in general can risk impugning credibility, calling legitimate objectivity into question and leading to speculation towards team control over content.

“They don’t control our programming,” Choppy said. “They never have, they never will. That’s not what the partnership’s about. There are obviously four teams in town – the Cowboys are the least sensitive of the bunch. You would think they would be the most sensitive because they have the most to lose. They’re the least sensitive of the bunch. Everything is fair.”

In addition to listening to audio, consumers are able to watch a livestream of the show distributed on various outlets, allowing them to see the hosts and augment their connection. Despite radio emanating in the audio space, Choppy believes the application of video provides a new means for listeners to gravitate to the show. On top of that, he evinces an inclination for an audience yearning to be part of something special, an implicit correlation of team success with the consumption of related content.

“The show is doing as well as it ever has,” Choppy said. “We’ve never had better numbers, we’ve never had more fun, we’ve never had a better show, I don’t believe. I think the future goal for the show is to continue that for the next 15 years.”

As the morning show continues its journey on 105.3 The Fan, Choppy knows that adhering to authenticity will sustain and potentially hasten its growth trajectory. The trio has established an efficacious paradigm that appeals with consumers and discusses key topics surrounding local teams. Yet through all of the triumphs, Choppy is not parochial in his logic and feels that there are many other people who could be doing their jobs. Arriving to each show with gratitude and humility, he seeks to fulfill his part in cultivating a sound that emits passion, persistence and an unwavering commitment to excel.

“People are smart enough to call you out on your B.S., and I think that’s the most important thing is if you’re going to do this and you’re going to do this for a long time, you have to be genuine in what you’re doing,” Choppy said. “You have to be real, you have to be honest, and you’ve got to have conviction behind what you’re saying, but I think your personality has to pop through the speakers.”