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BSM Podcast – Season 2 – Episode 8 – Chris Carlin – Sports Radio 94WIP

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Episode 8 of Season 2 includes a 55 minute discussion with Sports Radio WIP afternoon host Chris Carlin. “Continent” as he’s affectionately known in sports radio circles reflects on his start in New York at WFAN, becoming Mike and the Mad Dog’s producer, moving into a challenging situation on Imus’ program, transitioning into Boomer & Carton, reaction on last week’s developments involving the WFAN morning host, being courted for an on-air opportunity in Kansas City, getting a break in TV at SNY, making the move to Philadelphia to host for WIP, learning from Mark Chernoff, Eric Spitz and Spike Eskin and his philosophies on callers, interviews, measuring progress and personality attributes.

Jason also delivers this week’s “5 in 5”. The areas of concentration on this episode are the Craig Carton saga in New York, changes to NFL television programming on Sunday’s, 1310 The Ticket in Dallas earns a Marconi, KFNS hires a host who doesn’t know sports, and the 2-year anniversary of BSM.

SUBJECTS DISCUSSED WITH CHRIS CARLIN:

  • A prank gone wrong lands him a college analyst opportunity
  • Getting an internship at WFAN and becoming a PT employee
  • Moving up to join Mike and the Mad Dog as their producer
  • What went into producing Mike Francesa and Chris Russo
  • Who nicknamed him ‘Continent’ and how it came about
  • Trying to produce a show with two hosts not communicating
  • His most proud moments while working with Mike and Chris
  • Being courted to host in Kansas City but turning down the offer
  • Switching shifts and becoming the sports anchor of Imus’ show
  • Handling the mental challenge of working on a different show
  • Witnessing a firestorm when Imus’ comments cost him his job
  • Working on Boomer & Carton’s show during its early days
  • Reaction to last week’s developments involving Craig Carton
  • What makes Mark Chernoff good at handling chaotic situations
  • The transition from radio to TV and overcoming those adjustments
  • How the opportunity at WIP came up and why it appealed to him
  • Winning over a tough market as an outsider and how he approached it
  • Hosting with former NFL player Ike Reese and what makes him good
  • Battling for ratings, measuring progress and the thrill of competition
  • His confidence in WIP becoming the final stop of his broadcasting career
  • What he believes is important when generating phone calls in a talk show
  • How he feels about interviews and what he looks for out of them
  • The difference in Mark Chernoff, Eric Spitz and Spike Eskin’s styles
  • Personality attributes that are found in every successful talk show host
  • Quick Hits: NY-Philly fans, Francesa at WFAN, Most Influential, Best NYC host

FROM THE GUEST

Chris’ Twitter handle: @ChrisCarlin

1310 The Ticket Named 2017 Sports Station of the Year

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Being nominated for a Marconi Award is a prestigious honor for every radio station or company. Winning one gives a brand tremendous respect inside industry circles.

This year five sports radio stations were nominated for the award of sports radio station of the year. The nominees included WEEI and 98.5 The Sports Hub in Boston, 101 ESPN in St. Louis, 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia and Sports Radio 1310 The Ticket in Dallas.

Although each station made a strong case for being recognized as the industry’s best in the format, the recipient of this year’s honor was Sports Radio 1310 The Ticket.

During the past year, The Ticket has led the way in Dallas, achieving consistent double digit ratings performances. BSM congratulates Jeff Catlin and his entire team on earning this year’s award.

98.5 The Sports Hub Extends Patriots Agreement

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Just as the five-time Super Bowl champion New England Patriots kick off their 2017 NFL season, comes an announcement that the team has agreed to a multi-year contract extension with flagship station 98.5 The Sports Hub. The news was made official by Patriots President Jonathan Kraft during a conversation on the team’s pre-game show.

As part of the agreement, Bob Socci and Scott Zolak will remain as the Patriots radio broadcast team. The Patriots have aired their games on CBS Radio stations since 1994 including on 98.5 The Sports Hub since the station launched in 2009.

“Our continued partnership with the New England Patriots underscores CBS Radio’s leadership in sports radio,” said Andre Fernandez, President and CEO, CBS Radio. “We have enjoyed an incredible relationship with this storied franchise for over 20 years and are proud to continue our partnership into the future.”

“Since our launch in 2009, the New England Patriots have been a key partner of 98.5 The Sports Hub. We are honored to continue broadcasting the five-time Super Bowl Champions to avid Patriots fans and Sports Hub listeners throughout New England,” said Mark Hannon, SVP/Market Manager, CBS Radio Boston.

The Sports Hub will broadcast “Patriots Preview” three hours prior to each game, as well as a three-hour post-game show. Both programs will be hosted by Marc Bertrand, co-host of The Sports Hub’s midday show, “Zolak and Bertrand.” Joining Bertrand on both shows will be Boston Globe and Boston.com columnist Chris Gasper and former NFL player Steve DeOssie. Sports Illustrated’s Albert Breer will also serve as a contributor to the pregame show.

Creating Ideas That Sell

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Let’s talk about ideas. Ideas sell. The only thing better than a good idea is a great idea. And the best thing about a great idea is that it helps overcome many of the objections we often face. I choose to look at it this way.

They say it’s too expensive. I say the idea wasn’t good enough.

They say your ratings weren’t high enough. I say the idea wasn’t good enough.

They say they didn’t like your loud, offensive, morning show host. I say the idea wasn’t good enough.

Had the idea been better, something that truly blew the prospect away, none of that would have mattered.

In our line of work, selling sports radio, it’s all about the ideas and all about the creativity – the “sizzle.” It is no different than the sports we cover. A couple of walks and a bloop in between second base and right field scores a run, but a home run gets them on their feet!

It’s 2017 and people listen to the radio differently than they used to. There are more things today than ever before that can take away attention from our advertisers’ messages. We have to be more creative in coming up with ways to make the sponsors stand out over and above their recorded schedule.

Fortunately, our friends at ESPN did us all a favor when they started doing things like the “Coors Light Six Pack of Questions.” Suddenly, it wasn’t looked at as a “distraction” for there to be a sponsor attached to a feature inside of programming. Now the advertiser can truly feel ownership of a piece of property (and who wants to ever give up their own little corner of the world?).

I remember back when we launched a new ESPN station in St. Louis that you could barely hear across the street from the tower site. The frequency we were on hadn’t been listened to by more than a few people in years. No signal, no listeners, no marketing budget, no big-name hosts – no big deal. We sold ideas.

I’ll never forget closing a sale with McDonalds’ ad agency on a “Dream Job” promotion where a listener would win their very own sports talk show. You know you have done a good job when a media buyer tells you “I shouldn’t buy this, and I have no idea why I am buying this other than it is just a great idea and something we should be a part of.”

Another client we kept going back to with different ideas and nothing would stick. They were always willing to listen so we kept trying. It was a liquor company and it made sense with our “audience,” but they weren’t traditional advertisers looking for spots and dots. They wanted something different.

One weekend I was out of town and I was in the car listening to a baseball game. When they came out of break in to the bottom of the 5th inning, the announcer read a promo for Jack Daniels as the sponsor of the “bottom of the fifth.” Now that was a great idea! And like many other good ideas over the years, I stole it.

We went back to the liquor company and pitched a promotion where a listener would get to pick a player from the Cardinals prior to each weeknight home game, and if that player hot a home run in the bottom of the 5th inning, the station and the liquor sponsor would give them a big screen TV and a stocked bar. The client loved it and it turned out to be a great promotion. It was something different and it tied in perfectly with their product.

Coming up with the idea is important, but only part of the battle – the other big part is how you present it. If you walk in, flip through a bunch of pages, read the presentation and ask for the order, maybe you have a chance. If you go in and wow them with how excited you are about the solution you came up with to answer their issues (what keeps them up at night), you play an audio spec of the station voice or talent reading the intro to the new feature and you make it sound BIG – you have a much greater chance.

It is so much easier to get a prospect to sign the dotted line when they have just been blown away by your creativity. Suddenly, they are only thinking about the idea and are no longer concerned about your prices, your ratings, or the loud, offensive morning host.

WFAN Morning Host Craig Carton Arrested

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WFAN morning host Craig Carton has been arrested on federal charges related to white collar crime. Carton and co-defendant Michael Wright are accused of running a bogus discount ticket broker business which ripped off a few million dollars from investors.

According to reports, Carton’s involvement in a ponzi scheme resulted in investors being duped out of $5.6 million dollars. The funds were reportedly used to help cover Carton’s gambling debts.

If found guilty, Carton could face a maximum of 45 years in prison and millions of dollars of fines.

“The Carton and Wright show was just a sham, designed to fleece investors out of millions ultimately to be spend on payments to casinos and … other personal debt,” said U.S. Attorney Joon Kim.

A 26-page Securities and Exchange Commission filing accuses Carton of lying to investors. The sports radio host went as far as sending phony documents and e-mails to his unsuspecting business partners.

“Carton’s deceit did not stop with providing fake documents. When (one investor) made its $2 million investment, Carton misappropriated the money by lying,” according to the court papers.

Carton was arrested by FBI agents at his Manhattan home, causing him to miss his morning show with Boomer Esiason. The former NFL quarterback told the audience on Wednesday morning that he was taken aback by the news and had no idea of Carton’s issues.

In a statement, Carton’s employer CBS Radio, said it was “aware of the situation” and is cooperating with authorities.

WFAN is already facing a massive challenge having to find a successor for Mike Francesa in afternoons. Should Carton’s situation become one that requires future changes in mornings, it could put New York’s top rated sports radio station in a very difficult position.

BSM Podcast – Season 2 – Episode 7 – Jim Rome – CBS Sports Radio

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The 7th episode of Season 2 features a deep dive into Jim Rome’s broadcasting career. Over the course of 40+ minutes Jim offers his insights on starting on the local level, expanding into syndication, building a national brand thru the addition of TV, going thru adversity following the Jim Everett situation, moving from Premiere to CBS Sports Radio, the possibility of a return to sports television, the UFC rumors, the growth of sports debate, the birth of the clones, the importance of understanding the business of sports radio, what he looks for in a producer, staying receptive to feedback, how he determines if a benchmark or piece of content still is relevant, and much more.

Also, Jason returns with a 5 in 5, taking a look at the Mitch Levy situation in Seattle, 97.5 The Fanatic’s PD change in Philadelphia, how the radio community has rallied to help those in need in Houston, the fallout from the Ryen Russillo incident at ESPN Radio, and a couple of takeaways from the Podcast Movement Conference.

THE ORDER OF TOPICS DISCUSSED WITH JIM ROME:

  • Getting started in radio and when he knew it was what he wanted to do
  • Pursuing a career as a host in the sports format when it barely existed
  • Landing an opportunity in San Diego as a host at XTRA Sports 690
  • Climbing from evenings to middays to being national syndicating
  • His first four affiliates and how he served new stations and listeners
  • Having his contract purchased by Premiere Radio Networks
  • The rapid rise of affiliate growth and becoming a national success
  • Developing a TV presence on ESPN2 and why it appealed to him
  • Facing his first major adversity (Jim Everett) and how he overcame it
  • Working to make sure his career wasn’t defined by the Jim Everett saga
  • Growing his radio audience by becoming more involved in television
  • His interest in regaining a stronger presence on sports television
  • The rumors of calling UFC fights and whether or not he considered it
  • Making the switch from Premiere Radio Networks to CBS Sports Radio
  • Whether or not there’s too much sports audio content available
  • Learning the role of being a businessman, not just a sports media host
  • Building long relationships with producers and what he looks for in them
  • Remaining open to feedback from PD’s despite his decades of success
  • Determining whether or not content has lasting power or has timed out
  • How The Clones were born into existence and became a part of his show
  • The way sports talk radio has changed over the past three decades
  • Picking his spots when discussing social issues and steering clear of politics
  • Debate programming on TV and how he feels about the way its grown
  • Quick Hits: Which son follows him, fill-in hosts, improving, most proud moment

FROM THE GUEST

Jim’s Twitter handle: @JimRome

KJR Host Mitch Levy Arrested in Prostitution Sting

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It’s been a challenging week for Sports Radio 950 KJR. First, the radio station lost access to sports writers from the Seattle Times. But that pales in comparison to what the radio station is dealing with now, following the arrest of morning host Mitch Levy.

Bellevue, Washington police ran an undercover operation, which included opening up a brothel for seven days at a local condominium to attract unsuspecting sex buyers. They posted online ads to entice individuals to come forward, engaged in explicit text messages with potential customers, and when those men showed up, they were arrested.

A total of 110 men were locked up and over 100 cars, motorcycles and bikes were impounded. Among those put behind bars were a large number of technology workers and Seattle sports radio morning host Mitch Levy.

According to the police report, Levy placed $160 in cash on a bedside table in anticipation of a half-hour of sex. He told one of the arresting detectives he played golf earlier in the day and was there for a massage. The police report debunks that notion though adding that there was no other reason for Levy to be at the condo other than to buy sex.

Levy was booked into jail on August 26th before posting $500 bail. He’s since been charged with misdemeanor patronizing a prostitute.

KJR officials haven’t yet issued a statement on Levy’s arrest or the station’s plans short-term and long-term for the morning show.

Sales and Programming: One Side, One Team

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Put this one in the “wish somebody would have told me sooner” category. Had I known sooner that the smartest thing an on-air host could do is make relationships with clients and sellers, I might have been able to overcome my painfully average on-air abilities. I might even still be on the programming side.

As it was, I learned this lesson much too late. In the early days, I thought sales did their thing on one side of the building and programming did theirs on the other side, and that was it. No reason for much interaction between the two. Talent came in to do shows and the sales people went out and sold the advertising.

Today, if programming and sales aren’t working hand in hand, coming up with ideas, features and events that sell – you’re dead. It’s the only way it works. My belief is it’s no longer “the programming side” and “the sales side,” it’s one side, one team. Each side needs the support of the other. It’s all about “revenue and ratings,” right? Well, I have news for you – without the revenue the ratings don’t matter. At the same time, you have to have good programming to sell and air talent that can help your clients message stand out and sound authentic.

Note to air talent: your best friends should be those that sit in the cubicles in the sales pit. That is, if you want to be around long. Trust me, this is the best piece of advice you will ever get – get involved with clients, get to know sellers, do things in the community, get involved with charities. In a nutshell – be a star. It’s one of the things you bring to the table. Another is that you know people – and any leads you can provide to sellers are always greatly appreciated. You help a seller make money, they will be more than likely to return the favor when they can.

Another thing – be great at delivering ads. Make the clients business sound like it’s the most important thing to you at that time. Care about the clients that support you and go out of your way to build a relationship with them. It will come back to you in ways you might never have imagined and one day those relationships may save you or get you a job.

Back in the early 2000’s, in the early stages of my management life, I had to let go of an air talent. He was good, but he was loud and obnoxious and a lot of people we talked to about sponsoring his show were afraid of him and the things he might say.Truth be told, it was also time to cut expense, so the decision was made to let him go.

A couple of months later, the same air talent asked to meet with me as he said he had an idea I would like. He said one of the things I mentioned when letting him go, was we were having trouble monetizing his show – and he wanted to know if he could come back if that was no longer a factor. At first, I told him it would always be a factor, so what was it that he proposed he could do about it. He said he would pay us for the time and he would sell the advertising himself.

The young, greedy me was very intrigued, but thought to myself “how will he be able to sell the show and be able to pay us if we weren’t ever able to sell his show?” After the conversation, I thought about it but eventually told him I was concerned he wouldn’t be successful selling and it wasn’t worth the risk of us having to make a change, again, a short time later. He left dejected. Then, he called me back two weeks later and said he had signed contracts with multiple advertisers. Two weeks after that, he was back on the air. To this day he is an incredibly talented host, one of the best in the sports format, who did very well financially selling his own product for years.

You see, he had the relationships with people. Off the air he was very likeable, and loved interacting with people. His personality and natural ability to take over a room, led perfectly to being able to make business relationships with big time advertisers. He never had to worry about whether or not his show would sell, because he was out doing it himself.

Now, sellers, here’s my tip for you: the way to an air talent’s heart goes through either their wallet or their stomachs. Get them paid, get them fed and you will have happy air talent. And you need them. You need them a great deal as they can make your lives so much easier. Most importantly, you need to make sure you’re getting to know them. What are their interests? Where do they shop? What do they need or want? What is their family situation? Knowing all of this can help you prospect and it can help you if you’re ever looking for an air talent to endorse a client or product for you.

We all know that people buy people. They are buying in to a relationship. If they buy advertising, they believe you have something that can help them grow their business. They trust you. Now, couple that with the “familiarity” listeners and prospects have with air talent, where they feel like they know them or that they are friends. Put those two things together and it makes it much more difficult for a prospect to turn down working with you and your station.

The best sales calls are ones where the salesperson can use the celebrity and personality of the air talent to help pitch ideas or just entertain the client, while they handle the business end of things and close the sale.

Strong air talent are good at what they do usually because they are creative. Sellers should use that creativity to their advantage, or more so their clients advantage. If the sellers get the air talent involved and allow them to use more of that creativity, brainstorming ideas or concepts, they will also be more “bought in” to the overall idea that’s decided on.

We are in sports so we should be quite familiar with the concept of teamwork. Sales and programming working together isn’t an optional exercise anymore if you want to win. We have very little in our business that makes selling “easy,” but when it comes to the two sides working together to achieve revenue goals – doing so sure makes selling “easier.”

Dave Greene is the General Sales Manager for 610 Sports in Kansas City. He’s previously served as Vice President and Market Manager for Cumulus Media, Townsquare Media, Flinn Broadcasting, Simmons Media Group, Grand Slam Sports and 590 The Fan KFNS. Follow him on Twitter @DaveGreene34.

Matt Nahigian Out as PD of 97.5 The Fanatic

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Matt Nahigian was named PD of SportsTalk 950 in Philadelphia in May 2007. Since then, he’s led the radio station to a decade of solid growth and success. But despite a great run, Nahigian’s time as The Fanatic’s head of programming has come to an end.

Under Nahigian’s watch, sports radio programs on 950AM moved to the FM dial, changing the radio station’s position to 97.5 The Fanatic. Top local stars such as Mike Missanelli and Anthony Gargano signed on to host shows on the station, and the 76ers and Flyers moved their games over after previously airing on local market competitor Sports Radio 94WIP.

The moves paid dividends as The Fanatic began battling WIP for local ratings bragging rights. In fact, The Fanatic’s success was strong enough to earn recognition from the National Association of Broadcasters, receiving a nomination for the 2017 Marconi Awards.

Why Nahigian is no longer in charge of The Fanatic’s programming department isn’t clear but the radio station now has big shoes to fill. The one positive for the next PD is that they’ll inherit a strong brand with top talent in a passionate sports city. That’s a testament to what Nahigian assembled over the past ten years.

If The Audience Is Hungry, Don’t Make Them Wait To Eat

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One of the biggest challenges sports radio shows face on a daily basis is maximizing air time and diving into valuable content. When you’re on the air for 3-4 hours a day, it can be really hard to create one powerful segment after another. But with audiences on the go, and looking for an immediate return on their time invested, a host must always be dialed in and ready to share a unique opinion and perspective to keep them engaged.

Scott Seidenberg understands that challenge based on his experience working for 98.7FM ESPN New York and hosting a national overnight show for NBC Sports Radio where audiences are much lighter. It may seem smart to sell an audience on returning later for something of quality, but too often we worry about what’s happening later in the show, rather than seizing the moment right in front of us. If we prioritized our content and treated the audience to something of substance, they might spend a few extra minutes with us, and in this radio game of inches, that can make a world of difference.

I asked Scott to put together a few of his thoughts on a subject he was familiar with and passionate about, and I’m happy to share his perspective on the importance of diving into content and avoiding laundry lists. Enjoy!

If The Audience Is Hungry, Don’t Make Them Wait To Eat

Success happens when preparation meets opportunity. It’s an old cliché but a good one. Every good radio host knows the importance of preparation. Some like to outline their thoughts. Others prefer a strict rundown, timing out each segment and topic. We’ve even seen TV shows find success by putting an actual rundown on the screen (think PTI).

But does that mean we should give the radio audience a script to follow? The answer is no.

There’s no need to provide the listener with your “laundry list”. In fact, I would argue its counterproductive. The average radio consumer more times than not, is doing something else while listening to you. They may be driving their car, walking the dog, running on the treadmill at the gym, etc. It’s rare nowadays to find people who just sit down and listen to live radio and give it their full undivided attention. Podcasts, maybe, but live talk radio, not as much. Throw in the fact that time spent listening gets shorter and shorter as attention spans get shorter and shorter and what you have is the cold hard truth – no one is listening to your show in its entirety from start to finish.

It is with this understanding that you must approach your airtime wisely. Every second counts. I think every program director in the country has uttered those words at some point and it’s because it’s absolutely true. I’m not saying this for PPM sake here, but for keeping your audience engaged. You need to hit them with your strongest take right away. No delay.

Why do hosts waste precious seconds (often minutes) providing a list of topics they will eventually get to later on in the show, when those listening to them at that very moment, won’t be around later in the show? I know what you’re thinking, teasing. No! There is a difference between a tease and a “laundry list”. Teasing should only be for what comes up next. Think in terms of the quarter hour. Tease what will come up within that time frame, nothing further. The goal of any tease is to keep the listener hooked so that they stay in their car when they pull into their driveway or think twice before closing the app on their phone. Thus the payoff is equally as important as the tease.

For lack of a better term, you need to instill fear in the listener that they will miss what you have to say on a certain topic. This is why you tease, and then pay it off. Rinse. Repeat. The listener gets used to the pattern and soon trusts that the wait will be worth it.

What happens more times than not with “laundry lists” is that certain topics get lost in the shuffle or get pushed aside due to a lack of time. We’ve all been there. When a topic is good you ride it and sometimes you don’t get to things you planned on during your pre show preparation. The one exclusion to immediate teasing would be appointment listening. If there is a certain time you will have a big name guest on, or a popular show feature, feel free to push that. Other than that, keep your rundown to yourself.

Theres another aspect of this that I want to mention. When providing a list of topics at the beginning of your show, you are delaying the audience from hearing your opinion. After all, thats why they tuned in to hear you right? Every show talks about the same topics, but what separates you is your opinion and personality. Why push that off?

Let me share with you an example.

I was listening to a sports radio show recently, and the top of the hour imaging hit, followed by a series of sound bites. The host then came on, credited the audio sources, and followed up by identifying themselves and throwing out the call in number and their twitter handle. After that, the host announced the list of topics that would be discussed on the show, followed by once again throwing out the number and contact information. When that was over, the host starting giving background information on the first topic.

I looked at my clock and it was 8 minutes past the hour. That means that 8 minutes had gone by and nothing of substance had been said. Meanwhile on another network, after the top of the hour update and the opening imaging, the host immediately dove into the lead topic. 3 minutes past the hour and I was already hearing an opinion.

Ask yourself, which show are you more likely to listen to when those two options are available? Of course, you’re going to choose the 2nd one.

Why should I or any listener wait 5 more minutes to hear an opinion when we’re only in the car for 10 minutes? The first host could have been way more entertaining than the 2nd, and maybe they would’ve had a more interesting take on the same topic. But they hurt their chances of getting me to listen again, because they wasted my time.

Lists are great. They are important to help you prepare for a show. It helps serve as an overall guideline. But for the listener, they don’t care about that. They also don’t care how you prepared for the show. No one wants to know how the sausage is made, they just want to eat it. So feed your audience. Give them your best right away, and you’ll keep them coming back for more. The more you waste their time, or lose their trust, the more you’ll be talking to yourself.

Scott Seidenberg is the host of “Overtime w/Scott Seidenberg” 1am-3am ET on NBC Sports Radio. Follow Scott on Twitter @ScottsOnAir or reach him via email Scott.Seidenberg@gmail.com.