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Digging Through Data: Steven Goldstein, Amplifi Media

With the calendar turning over to 2025, Barrett Media is sitting down with some of the best and brightest media researchers in the industry for a weeklong series, “Digging Through Data.” In the final installment of the series, we spoke with Amplifi Media founder and CEO Steven Goldstein.

When asked what data trends stood out to him in 2024, Steven Goldstein had a very succinct answer.

“Legacy media is in trouble,” he said. “It’s aging.”

He’s right about the aging audiences of traditional media. The average age of a cable news viewer is 70. Median age of a primetime TV viewer? 65. Talk radio sees its average age at 58, but that includes sports radio which — on average — features an audience 10 years younger, driving down the average age.

However, the average podcast listener is 36-years-old. Which is why that medium was so imperative to the 2024 election.

“It was difficult to reach a lot of the younger demos with legacy media. So to me, that is one of the truly big stories of this last year, and will clearly continue going forward as these things either age out or redevelop,” he added.

Just because legacy media is in “trouble” in Goldstein’s mind doesn’t mean the future is non-existent. There are pathways to sustained success and audience sizes.

“Use Saturday Night Live as an example. Who watches SNL live on Saturday night at 1130 any longer? About 4 million people, but millions and millions more are watching the clips on YouTube,” Goldstein began. “So they have come to the realization that they need to be a bit more platform agnostic. They are. They’re paid by YouTube and they make money off of that. I saw an interview with Seth Meyers in which he was asked ‘Does it bother you that people don’t watch the whole show?’ He said, ‘No, what would bother me as if nobody watched any of the show. So I’ll take it on YouTube, thank you very much.'”

Steven Goldstein said he’s shared with radio stations that a time-shifted strategy — similar to that utilized by linear television brands on YouTube, Rumble, and TikTok — could be a way to continue to remain competitive in the changing media landscape. Many in the radio industry, however, have been slow to adopt or even consider the concept, Goldstein shared.

Nielsen is changing the amount of qualifying time needed to earn a quarter-hour for its ratings service. The time will drop to three minutes of listening, down from the previous marker of five minutes. And the Amplifi Media founder — who was previously the chairman of the Arbitron Advisory Council on two separate occasions — says he has opinions on the subject that “might be controversial.”

“If you do the math on that, you could theoretically have 300 minutes of listening credit. If somebody listened for three minutes and then they went on to the next three and the next three, you can have 20 incidents of listening within the hour,” said Goldstein. “That’s 300 minutes, five hours of listening. That feels pretty inflated, even in this day and age. It’s looney tunes.”

In 2025, Steven Goldstein said Amplifi Media wants to learn more about the future of podcasting, even if that means defining what a podcast is these days.

“The ascension of video in podcasting is essential. We are in an interesting and unique phase of what’s a podcast, and I don’t think we know exactly where that’s going, but we are in the middle of it,” he said. “There will be some creators who do extraordinarily well transitioning to video, and anecdotally, there are many who are having a difficult time.

“So that raises the question of, ‘Does everything need to be a video?’ I think we’re learning that in real-time. I don’t know that anybody has a definitive answer, but that is where we are at the moment,” Goldstein concluded.

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Ratings Roundup: Fox News Scores Most-Watched January in Cable News History

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Fox News has continued its ratings dominance since Election Day, as the network set a new high-water mark in total day viewers for the month of January.

During the first month of 2025, Fox News saw an average total day audience of 1.9 million viewers. That figure represents a 53% year-over-year increase, with a 70% increase in the key Adults 25-54 demographic.

Since Election Day, Fox News has accounted for the top 603 rated cable news broadcasts.

The Five, which averaged 4.8 million viewers during the month, led the cable news ratings while Jesse Watters Primetime (4.1 million), Hannity (3.8 million), Special Report with Bret Baier (3.5 million), and The Ingraham Angle (3.5 million) rounding out the top five. 

“As we mark 23 years as America’s most-watched cable news network, I would like to thank our incredible team both on and off the camera for their dedication to delivering the best product in news,” said Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott. “Each year, we surpass new milestones, continue to innovate, and outperform the competition due to their tireless efforts and I could not be prouder.”

ABC World News Tonight with David Muir Scores 2nd Largest Audience in Last Year

ABC World News Tonight with David Muir has had a stranglehold on the nightly network news ratings for several years, and the broadcast had a strong Inauguration Week.

The Muir-led program saw an average of 8.1 million viewers for the week. That’s the second highest average in the last calendar year, only being topped by coverage of the LA Wildfires earlier this month.

For the week, NBC Nightly News averaged 7 million viewers, while the CBS Evening News featured 4.9 million viewers during Norah O’Donnell’s final week in the anchor chair.

The ratings race between the ABC News show and the NBC News program anchored by Lester Holt was significantly closer in the Adults 25-54 demographic. Muir’s show averaged 1,136,000 viewers during the week in that demo, while Holt’s show saw 1,051,000.

CBS Evening News saw 714,000 from the key demographic for the week.

NewsNation Tops MSNBC in Key Demo During Karoline Leavitt’s First White House Press Briefing

NewsNaiton has seen a ratings uptick since being the first cable news network to call the 2024 election for Donald Trump in November.

In primetime during January, the network saw its second-highest-rated average in total viewers with an audience of 121,000 viewers.

During the week of Trump’s inauguration, NewsNation saw 92% growth in its audience in the key Adults 25-54 demographic. In total viewers, the network saw a 22% uptick compared to the previous week.

During the month, both The Hill and Elizabeth Vargas Reports saw new all-time highs in total viewers. Daytime programs like NewsNation Live and NewsNation Now, as well as the weekend versions of those shows, also saw new all-time highs during January.

Additionally, as new White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt made her first press briefing, NewsNation outscored MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell Reports in the key demographic.

During the Noon hour on Tuesday, NewsNation Now averaged 33,000 viewers in the Adults 25-54 demo. MSNBC saw an audience of 26,000 in that sector.

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News Media Needs to Remember There’s a Right Way and a Wrong Way to Cover Breaking News Tragedies

When tragedy strikes, the news media always stoops to new lows. As loved ones waited in Reagan National Airport for a plane which would never land, the instantaneous reaction from newsrooms is ‘get people to talk.’ It ends up being anyone and everyone. Experts, government officials, first responders, witnesses, people who are about to get on a plane at a different airport, and most definitely people who knew the deceased.

Some of these things are ultra important others are just flat out wrong. 

Experts: 

As stated in previous columns I don’t like “experts.” However, every rule has an exception and this one is mine.

When it comes to aviation crashes most pilots (if not all) study them. It helps you learn how to prevent another crash. With the information provided to the public 12 hours after the crash you still can not ask an expert “Could this have been prevented?” If they don’t say yes, they look like a hopeless dope. Almost anything can be prevented with proper knowledge and training. 12 hours after the crash, they can not with certainty say the mishap could have been prevented by doing X, Y, and Z.

Another bad question? ‘How did this happen?’ They literally don’t know, it’s been between 0-36 hours and there’s no public information for them to study. This means the answer is going to be speculation (bad).

What outlets should be asking experts instead are:

  • What can we learn when studying aircraft accidents?
  • What are some regulations which were put in place after previous accidents?
  • What are the questions you have when the time comes for you to study this accident?

These three questions can create a 5-8 minute segment and it pushes the story forward. Pair this with team coverage hits before the interview and you have a solid 12-14 minute A-Block, my friend. 

Government officials & First Responders:

You need the government officials – but only to a point.They will provide you with the facts but once they start adding color — or worse, politics — they need to be cut out. When Senator Jerry Moran calls the crash a “very personal circumstance” you need to be removed from the press conference. Senator, If you knew someone on the plane, I am sorry from your loss but then don’t go to the newser, be with your family in this time of tragedy. 

If a goverment offical or first reponder can not provide the facts, you should not be standing at the podium. It’s tragic for everyone involved, from the families to the first responders and witnesses. When politicians and officials insert their own personal feelings (other than the blanket thoughts and prayers statement), it becomes less about the accident and more about them.

We need facts, not feelings.

Witnesses:

Reports within the first 6-8 hours are completely acceptable. What did you see? What were you doing when you saw it? This is all you need to ask.

What’s not acceptable is questions about feelings (“How do you feel about it?” “Are you nervous getting on your next flight again?” etc…).

It’s completely natural for outlets to fearmonger for whatever reason it sells a lot of headlines but does not produce a whole bunch of real “shoeleather journalism.”

After 6-ish hours, the witnesses are likely all gone from the scene and their sound does not push your story forward, meaning it’s time to move on.

People who are about to get on a plane at a different airport: 

This is one of the most unnecessary pieces of breaking news coverage you could have. Going to someone in Logan, LAX, or Sitka and asking ‘How do you feel about this tragedy?’ is not journalism. It’s reactive and impulsive.

Aside from the fact, anyone who doesn’t say something along the line of “it’s terrible” is not getting on air and is probably a psychopath.

It doesn’t move the story forward. If your sound is stagnant, it’s not worth putting in your story. 

People who knew the deceased:

This is the most controversial piece of storytelling. Yes, some family and friends want to talk. Others do not.

For those who want to share the story of their loved one, that’s fine. I also think it’s exploitative and emotionally manipulative, but that’s the reporter’s (or newsroom’s) choice and on their conscience.

However, shoving a camera or microphone in someone’s face before asking them if they want to talk about their loved one is wrong.

Stop, talk, and listen to people. Some people find it therapeutic to talk about. That’s fine, but its not for everyone. Respect people. Put down the microphone and camera before starting the conversation. 

What outlets should actually be doing:

You need to push the story forward with facts. The pieces you should be writing are the following (and feel free to write these today/over the weekend, I’d really love to see them):

  • What recruitment for being an air traffic controller looks like? (Maybe this can provide insight as to why there is almost always a shortage of folks working in this field.)
  • What in the 48 hours since the crash have we learned? (And then, with this information, ask your expert if they have any other questions about the crash.)
  • Last week, President Trump signed the “Keeping Americans Safe in Aviation” executive order. What are the “serious infirmities” he believes some members of the FAA have and how does it prevent them from doing their job to the extent of which it is needed?

Facts, facts, facts. Don’t manipulate emotions at a time of tragedy. Stay calm, provide the facts. It helps more than inflicting emotions into every story. 

ESPN Adds Udonis Haslem as Full-Time NBA Analyst

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ESPN has confirmed to Barrett Media a report from Front Office Sports saying Udonis Haslem has been added as a full-time member of the network’s NBA coverage. Haslem is expected to appear on NBA Today as well as First Take, Get Up and SportsCenter.

Haslem has been making appearances on ESPN for the last several weeks. Last season, when Haslem took part in programming during the 2024 NBA playoffs, Magic Johnson tweeted out. “ESPN – You definitely have an excellent team of ex-players already with Kendrick Perkins, Jay Williams, Tim Legler, and JJ Reddick…but you should hire Udonis Haslem permanently! He’s been spectacular breaking down the NBA playoffs – from the players’ game and mentality, to the x’s and o’s, as well as the philosophy of the game…Udonis has done it with intelligence, charisma, and flair. And he’s funny too!”

Haslem, who played at the University of Florida, played his entire 20-year NBA career with the Miami Heat and won championships in 2006, 2012 and 2013. Last January, Haslem’s No. 40 was retired by the Heat.

In 2023, the Heat hired Haslem as their Vice President of Basketball Development and he started making media appearances in 2024.

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Erin Maloney Named Program Director of Arizona Sports 98.7, ESPN 620

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Erin Maloney has been named the new program director of Arizona Sports 98.7 and ESPN 620, Bonneville Phoenix announced on Thursday. Maloney, who is a former intern at the station, most recently served as the assistant program director and is now being promoted following the departure of Brian Long. After spending the last 18 months with the company, Long was hired by iHeartMedia to serve as the program director for KFI AM 640, AM 570 LA Sports and 1150 The Patriot in Los Angeles.

“From starting as an intern in 2012 and growing into leadership roles throughout her career, no one is more passionate about our sports brands than Erin,” Ryan Hatch, senior vice president and market manager of Bonneville Phoenix, said in a statement. “She is so well respected by everyone in the market, and we are very excited for her to take this next step.”

Maloney has spent her career in the sports media business working at Arizona Sports, serving as the afternoon show producer and update anchor since 2015. With Long moving on from the station, she now earns the opportunity to assume greater responsibility. Arizona Sports is consistently the top performing sports audio brand in the market, and has play-by-play rights agreements with the Arizona Cardinals, Phoenix Suns, Arizona Diamondbacks and Arizona State University football and basketball.

“I’m truly honored to step into the role of Program Director of Arizona Sports,” Maloney said in a statement. “Working alongside the best in the business is not just a privilege, it’s a dream come true. I look forward to leading an exceptional team of talented individuals who consistently set the standard for excellence in the industry and taking Arizona Sports to new heights.”

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Colin Cowherd Announces Move to Chicago in the Spring

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Colin Cowherd has revealed that he will be moving to Chicago in the spring, marking a change in scenery for the host of The Herd on FS1 and founder of The Volume. Cowherd, who has been a member of FOX Sports since 2015 hosting his three-hour sports talk program simulcast on FOX Sports Radio, explained on the latest edition of his podcast that he will be splitting his time between both cities during the football season. Yet he estimated that 85% of his time will be spent in the Windy City where he will broadcast his sports programs. Ryan Glasspiegel of Front Office Sports reported earlier in the week that Cowherd was nearing a deal to remain at FS1.

While appearing alongside Nick Wright on his podcast, Cowherd explained that most of his guests that generate ratings on his program do not appear live in the studio. In addition to Wright, he mentioned examples such as Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Matt Hasselbeck who appear on the program remotely. Cowherd also explained that his wife has sacrificed a lot for his career and that she did not like Los Angeles as much. In the past, he has stated that London and Chicago are his two favorite cities in the world. Moreover, he explained that he likes the urban areas that allow him to walk around in different towns, something that he has not had in Los Angeles while living in four different homes in eight years.

“I like where I live, but it lacks that sort of feel for me, and so I love the city,” Cowherd said. “She’s got her sister there, I’ve got a lot of friends there, and I think it’s time to be a better guy and be a better husband.”

Cowherd has lived in various regions throughout his career, some of which include Portland, Las Vegas and Tampa. Having settled in different areas around the country, he feels that it has given him an advantage as a broadcaster to understand what people care about. Cowherd also called Chicago one of the “great guy cities ever,” explaining that there were great sports, bars and beaches in the area. Wright acknowledged that Cowherd is probably breaking the heart of FS1 host Danny Parkins, who moved to New York City from Chicago upon joining the Breakfast Ball morning show, and used it as an excuse to pitch him on visiting more often.

“If you’re in Chicago, you’re going to be in New York more often because you don’t come to New York ever, and now it’s a short enough flight I can guilt you into it,” Wright said. “Our wives, who have spent no time together, can go together. We can go to Broadway.”

Cowherd revealed that he told the network about his move six months ago and pitched the value of having a show in the middle of the country. Furthermore, he explained that his employers have been amazing and offered to build him a studio. The fibers between the Big Ten Network building and FOX facility in Los Angeles are similar, Cowherd explained, helping to facilitate this transition. In order to demonstrate a commitment to his wife in that he would move to the city, he purchased season tickets for the Chicago Bulls and Chicago Blackhawks at United Center, and he will also see other events throughout the locale.

“I’ve bounced all over the country, and there’s some advantages and disadvantages to it, but I’m so excited to live in the Midwest, to live in a great city next to cousins,” Cowherd said. “I’m fired up, and my son wants to go to Northwestern here in a couple years maybe.”

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Digital Media Advertising Revenue to Surpass Traditional Media in 2025, BIA Advisory Services Data Shows

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For several years, the projections have shown that digital media advertising revenue will be close to surpassing traditional media. In 2025, digital media will reign supreme, according to forecasts from BIA Advisory Services.

During a Marketron webinar about the 2025 Radio Revenue Outlook, projections from BIA shared that 52% of local media advertising revenue will be placed with digital media this year. $89 billion is forecasted with digital, including over-the-top/connected TV, TV Digital, Radio Digital, PC/Laptop, Mobile, and Email advertising.

Meanwhile, $82 billion is projected to be spent on traditional media platforms like cable, over-the-air radio and television, direct mail, and print advertising.

“I joined BIA almost three years ago, and when I did join, we were starting to talk about how digital was about to take over traditional in terms of total spending through the US local advertising. And that did not come to fruition until this year,” said BIA Vice President of Forecasting and Analysis Nicole Ovadia.

“It’s interesting that the last couple of years, digital continues to grow more quickly than traditional but it is not growing quite as quickly as it once was,” she noted. “There are third-party cookie issues, there’s data privacy, there are reasons and factors that are slowing the exponential growth that digital enjoyed for so long.”

BIA Advisory Services did note that, when including political, digital media did surpass traditional media in 2024.

In total, U.S. local advertising revenue is projected to reach $170.9 billion between traditional and digital media in 2025. That figure represents a 5.5% year-over-year increase compared to 2024, excluding political dollars.

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In PPM Day Two Holiday Ratings Santa Is Still Delivering Presents

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Day Two of the holiday PPM markets continue to show that Christmas music won.

Examining the day one results, we found stations in the holiday format grabbing double-digit shares. (BMM 1/29)

The largest market share recorded to date goes to WNIC in Detroit 13.1-18.6

In Boston, WMJX leaped 8.3-15.4

In Phoenix, KESZ grew 12.3-16.4

KEWM Seattle moved 7.3-11.3

KOSI in Denver moved 9.3-12.7

KYXY San Diego nearly doubled 6.6-11.1

KEZK St. Louis scores a huge 9.6-17.4

In Baltimore, WLIF jumped 7.7-12.7

I would expect these numbers to hold through the remaining PPM markets, answering the question of whether the all-Christmas music format played out.

You can dive deeper into each market on Barrett Media’s ratings page. Powered by Harker Bos Group.

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ESPN Picks Up Option to Continue Broadcasting ACC Sports Through 2036

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ESPN has picked up the option on its broadcasting contract with the Atlantic Coast Conference, maintaining broadcast rights to sports within the entity through 2036. The development as it pertains to the Power Five Conference takes place following the 2024 season in which the enterprise added three new teams in Stanford, Cal and SMU. The ACC is said to be in the process of formally ratifying this extension that extends the deal for another nine years ahead of the deadline early next month, as first reported by Ross Dellenger of Yahoo Sports.

“We appreciate the ongoing partnership with ESPN and their enduring commitment that further solidifies the ACC as a premier league in all facets,” Jim Phillips, Ph.D, commissioner of the Atlantic Coast Conference, said in a statement. “The extension showcases the importance of our long-standing relationship, and I want to personally thank the entire ESPN team for their leadership and dedication to our collective future. In addition, I want to thank our ACC Board of Directors who have been involved throughout this entire process. The resolve from both parties to further enhance the partnership through innovation and creativity to continue to drive additional value remains our top priority.”

As the media rights development takes place, the ACC is currently facing lawsuits from Clemson and Florida State pertaining to who would own the broadcast rights should the teams leave the conference. Should the conference be found to own the media rights, they would stay within the conference for the length of the contracts regardless if the schools are playing in another conference, something that could ostensibly diminish value for the universities. If the opposite turned out to be proven correct, the schools would be able to present the TV rights to a new conference.

The option that ESPN has reportedly renewed has been described as a “look-in” by ACC commissioner Jim Phillips. This agreement reportedly took place after the ACC agreed to “value adds” said to have been pushed by Phillips, some of which could include creating additional marquee matchups in football and men’s basketball to maximize content on networks. David Hale and Andrea Adelson of ESPN also cited multiple athletic directors that the deal could involve utilizing the conference relationship with Notre Dame to cultivate more games against the team. The team recently made the National Championship Game in the inaugural 12-team College Football Playoff with oversight from Pete Bevacqua, the university athletic director and former president and chairman of NBC Sports.

“We are pleased to extend our media rights agreement with the ACC through 2036, continuing our longstanding relationship,” Jimmy Pitaro, chairman of ESPN, said in a statement. “We remain committed to serving the ACC, its member schools, student athletes and fans via comprehensive live game coverage, storytelling and broad exposure across our unprecedented array of networks and platforms, including ACC Network. The ACC is a pillar of ESPN’s leading commitment to college sports and we are thrilled to continue the partnership over the next decade.”

ESPN agreed to a 20-year contract with the ACC in 2016 that is reportedly worth $240 million per year. The company broadcasts conference sporting events across its ESPN and ABC broadcast entities, along with presenting distinctive programming and matchups on the ACC Network. The Walt Disney Company has majority ownership of the network that it established in 2019, and it recently celebrated its five-year anniversary with special programming highlighting the accomplishments within the conference. If ESPN decided not to pick up its option in the contract, the partnership between both entities would have ended following the 2027 season.

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Bob and Jeff Lutz to End Weekday Sports Talk Show on KFH

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The longtime sports talk show hosted by the father-son duo of Bob and Jeff Lutz on KFH Radio 1240 will be coming to an end, announcing that the final edition of the program will air on Friday, Feb. 7. Bob Lutz announced the decision on his Facebook page earlier in the week, emphasizing that a recent timeslot change played a factor in the end of the run. Jim Rome, who is nationally syndicated across Westwood One platforms, moved the time of his program in concurrence with Rich Eisen’s program airing on the Infinity Sports Network. This resulted in the program moving to the 5 to 7 p.m. CST time slot, a change that Denise Neil of the Wichita Eagle reported left the hosts not thrilled considering it did not align with their work schedules.

The duo had tried to record the show earlier in the day for it to air in the new timeslot, but Bob Lutz felt the program did not have the same sound. Had the show remained in its 2 to 4 p.m. CST slot, Lutz estimates that the show could have continued “indefinitely.” Outside of hosting the radio show, Lutz runs the League 42 baseball league, while his son, Jeff, works as a full-time digital producer at KWCH-TV. Once the Bob and Jeff show comes to an end, the station is going to fill the remaining on-air time with a syndicated show while considering looking for more local sports talk talent in the future.

“It has been fun to be with my son on this show and to jostle with him on a near-daily basis,” Bob Lutz wrote on social media. “And Jason Duda has become a good friend during our run, as has our producer and engineer, Max Power. I don’t know what the future holds. Maybe I’ll miss the radio gig so much that I’ll come crawling back for another opportunity. But mostly I just think it’s going to be so nice having a little more time to myself, [my family] and League 42. I will stay busy and appreciate all of you who have read me and listened to me over these many years.”

Outside of Bob and Jeff, the morning drive Sports Daily show is the only other local program that airs on the station during its weekday prime hours. Once Jacob Albracht and Tommy Castor complete the four-hour program, the station moves to syndicated offerings from Infinity Sports Network and Westwood One, including Eisen and Rome, before moving back into local programming with the afternoon drive show. Infinity Sports Network airs the remainder of programming on the station until the following morning.

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