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Approaching the Summit: Joel Raab, Country Radio Programming Consultant

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Approaching The Summit is a series of special interviews created in partnership with Point to Point Marketing featuring speakers at the upcoming 2026 Barrett Media Audio Summit in New York City. Follow along with this series as prominent names surrounding the event June 30-July 2 share their insights and expectations for what’s to come in the Big Apple. The Summit takes place at the SVA Theatre on West 23rd Street. For tickets and hotel room reservations, click here or visit the Summit section at the top of the website.   

Joel Raab is a Country radio consultant who advises stations for Audacy, Bonneville, Beasley, Max Media, and a roster of other media companies. Before consulting, he programmed and worked as an on-air personality in New York, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh. A Northwestern University graduate, Raab was inducted into the Country Radio Hall of Fame in 2015 and has served on the Board of Directors for Country Radio Broadcasters since 2009. Country Aircheck named him one of the format’s most influential people for 13 consecutive years.

*Editor’s Note: Answers have been edited for clarity and length.*

David Hill: Why is it important to attend events and continue learning?

Joel Raab: If you don’t keep learning, you go backwards. Networking is more vital than ever as the industry shrinks. If you’re young in the business, seek out mentors. Those of us who have been doing it for a while are happy to help up-and-comers. And for your event specifically — there’s better food in New York City than anywhere else in the world.

David Hill: What is the value in connecting with peers and competitors?

Joel Raab: The value is what you make of it. Sometimes it’s intimidating to talk to people you don’t know, but when you get up the courage, it’s extremely rewarding. If you go, target in advance who you want to speak with. Try to set up a coffee. You’d be surprised how many will say “sure” simply because you had the nerve to ask. Be a “pleasant pest.”

Regarding competitors — it pays to stay on friendly terms. You can learn a lot from them, especially if they’ve had a few. When it comes to gossiping, it’s always better to receive than give. Radio is competing less with itself and more with other media, so at times we can help each other. Kindness will come back to reward you. Just don’t be too kind by sharing too much.

David Hill: What is the biggest challenge facing your format?

Joel Raab: Country’s challenges are similar to those of other formats. Our listeners form a community, and we need to maintain that feeling with far fewer people than before. The priority has to remain: what’s in it for the listeners when we do — or don’t — make a move.

Fifty-five number ones in 52 weeks is a problem. Keep the strong songs longer. The other challenge is sales. As programmers, we must think about our decisions in terms of what can bring in and sustain revenue while maintaining the integrity of the format. Many stations are doing shows and making money — from larger concert festivals to smaller acoustic performances. It makes sense to leverage your radio brand for events.

David Hill: What is your favorite moment from past shows?

Joel Raab: Star performances from the NAB and CRS — Garth Brooks, Graham Nash, Elton John, Dr. John — are all memorable. For me personally, being on a panel with Kenny Rogers was a career highlight.

David Hill: Which speaker do you most want to hear at the Summit?

Joel Raab: I’ve always been a fan of Boomer Esiason. He’s reinvented himself numerous times — from quarterback to TV commentator to radio host and personality. In radio, we constantly have to reinvent ourselves. Podcasting is the perfect example of where you can explore ranges of your personality that traditional radio doesn’t allow.

David Hill: What is your view of the industry — present and future?

Joel Raab: The industry is clearly struggling. Not so much from a creative standpoint, but financially. Soul-crushing debt has caused large companies to cut past the bone. That said, we have to keep our heads down and do the best work we can. There is only so much you can do to make yourself fireproof.

My best advice: have money attached to your position, especially if you’re an air talent. Take on multiple roles to make yourself indispensable — and don’t expect a lot of sleep. Some talent have side hustles like real estate. One PD I worked with moved to that full-time when his station was on the block.

I laugh when I hear about how great radio used to be. Have you listened to some of those old airchecks? It’s mostly time and temp with a pukey DJ. Today, air talent are expected to dazzle listeners every time they crack the mic. And they should — given the audio competition.

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Pat McAfee Reportedly Could Earn $60 Million per Year From ESPN With Contract Extension

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ESPN and Pat McAfee are reportedly in serious talks on a contract extension. Thenew deal could pay McAfee more than $60 million per year, according to a report by The Athletic.

What We Know: McAfee currently is under contract with ESPN that earns him roughly $30 million annually under a deal with two years remaining. Earlier this month, Front Office Sports reported that McAfee and ESPN had begun contract extension talks. In addition, his existing arrangement includes a licensing agreement for The Pat McAfee Show that pays over $17 million per year — plus separate contracts for College GameDay and other ESPN contributions. The two sides are reportedly negotiating somewhere between $60 and $65 million per year. According to The Athletic, McAfee’s representatives, TKO/WME’s Ari Emanuel and Mark Shapiro, initially proposed $100 million annually.

What The Data Shows: Pat McAfee Show viewership data (per ESPN Press)

Month / ProgramAverage Audience (Linear & Digital)
April 2026 (Noon–2pm)430,000 (+29% YOY LINEAR ONLY)
March 2026 (Noon–2pm)455,000 (+25%)
February 2026 (Noon–2pm)317,000 (+28%)
January 2026 (Noon–2pm)575,000 (+16% YOY)

What Remains Unclear: No deal is completed. ESPN and McAfee have not commented publicly on the discussions. Also, no timetable remains unknown to come to an agreement. Also, ESPN has not said if an agreement doesn’t get done if that affects McAfee’s role for College GameDay.

What It Means: ESPN is smart to start talking now. Also, for McAfee, the talks should also provide him some basis in understanding how much ESPN values his content. Without a doubt, ESPN has stood by McAfee through on air disputes and elevated him with opportunities no other ESPN talent share.

The timing here matters. Netflix is aggressively pursuing major sports podcasts, landing deals with Barstool and The Ringer properties. The addition of a live video stream of The Breakfast Club means Netflix is entering the daily content race. Moreover, McAfee’s proven ability to attract younger audiences — and drive sports betting customer acquisition — makes him a rare asset. It will be interesting to see if McAfee takes other bidders for his content after being on ESPN in recent years.

If the $100 million annual number proves true, it will be interesting to see if a streaming platform like Netflix could offer that amount with it becoming public.

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Pat McAfee ‘State of Sports’ Special Reportedly Draws 278,000 Viewers In ESPN Primetime Window

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ESPN’s Pat McAfee ‘Primetime State of Sports’ special reportedly failed to draw more than 300,000 average viewers. The special was hastily created and promoted following the New York Knicks sweeping the Cleveland Cavaliers in the Eastern Conference Finals.

What We Know: After the Knicks swept the Cavaliers in the Eastern Conference Finals, ESPN filled the vacated Game 5 slot with a special prime time edition of The Pat McAfee Show. The program, titled State of Sports, aired May 27 and featured McAfee conducting commissioner-level interviews. On ESPN alone, the two-hour special drew just 278,000 viewers, according to Sports Business Journal. That figure excludes any YouTube streaming numbers. As of publication, the YouTube live stream has earned just over 132,000 views.

What The Data Shows: (Pat McAfee viewership stats via ESPN Press).

Month / ProgramAverage Audience (Linear + Digital)
April 2026 (Noon–2pm)430,000
March 2026 (Noon–2pm)455,000
February 2026 (Noon–2pm)317,000
January 2026 (Noon–2pm)575,000
State Of Sports Special (May 27, 7pm–9pm)278,000 (Linear Only per SBJ)

What Remains Unclear: Whether ESPN will release any additional digital data to help support the viewership figure released by SBJ. The figures are only liner television.

What It Means: For context, Game 4 of the Knicks-Cavaliers series drew 7.2 million viewers just two nights prior. The special was quickly thrown together by ESPN and McAfee himself. See this video as proof of how McAfee was active in the production of the special. The content of the show provided little to nothing outside of a giant two hour special to promote the success of each league represented. Despite the low viewership number, McAfee was going up against game four of the Eastern Conference Final on TNT Sports.

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Man Charged Following Threats to 93 WIBC Hosts Jason Hammer, Nigel Laskowski

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Last September, a man made a threat to 93 WIBC hosts Jason Hammer and Nigel Laskowski on social media. That man has now been arrested.

What We Know: 26-year-old Indianapolis-area man, Tristan Parker Jones, was arrested after making a threat to the hosts following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. “You two are next,” Jones wrote in a post on X, followed by calling them fascists and using a derogatory slur. Following the post, the duo tagged the Indianapolis Metro Police Department and the FBI to bring attention to the threat.

What They Said: According court documents, IMPD spoke with Jason Hammer about the incident at the time of the threat. He shared that following the assassination of Kirk, he took the threat seriously. Due to the culprit being from the area, Hammer shared that he did want to follow through and seek prosecution for the threat.

What Remains Unclear: If Jones has been arrested yet. According to a report from WTHR-TV, a warrant for his arrest has been granted on a Level 6 Felony charge. It is unknown if Jones has been brought into custody yet.

What It Means: Hammer & Nigel are not the first radio hosts to be threatened. However, few follow through with pursuing charges. After Kirk’s shooting, it is hard to argue that you shouldn’t take threats seriously.

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Time Magazine Recognizes Pat McAfee, Elle Duncan, Pablo Torre & Others on Inaugural List of the Most Influential People in Sports

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Pat McAfee and other sports content creators have landed on TIME Magazine’s inaugural TIME100 Sports list. The list honors 100 of the most influential figures shaping global sports.

What We Know: TIME’s first-ever sports-focused list spotlights several major media personalities. Pat McAfee, Elle Duncan, Bill Simmons, Pablo Torre, Mike Tirico, and Shams Charania all earned recognition. Beyond media, the list includes marquee athletes like LeBron James, Caitlin Clark, Lionel Messi, and Shohei Ohtani. Executives, owners, and dealmakers such as Michael Jordan, Masai Ujiri, and David Mulugheta also made the cut.

What They Said: TIME Chief Executive Officer Jessica Sibley: “The inaugural TIME100 Sports list recognizes individuals who are not only excelling in their fields, but also shaping culture, expanding opportunity, and influencing the world far beyond competition. At TIME, we are proud to recognize those whose leadership and reach continue to shape conversations, industries, and communities around the world.”

TIME Editor-in-Chief Sam Jacobs: “In our increasingly fragmented media environment, sports remain one of the last places where massive global audiences gather together in real time. As a result, many industries have drawn closer to live sports, and athletes have continued to seize larger and larger platforms. That has never been more evident than this year, as the Olympics and the World Cup have brought the competitions to center stage and events like the Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show and the UFC fight at the White House have shown how sports can dominate the cultural conversation unlike anything else.”

What Remains Unclear: TIME has not revealed the full methodology behind its selections. It’s also unknown whether the list will expand or shift categories in future years. Additionally, digital creator IShowSpeed’s inclusion signals a broader definition of sports media influence. Whether that category grows next year remains to be seen.

What It Means: This list validates what the industry already knows. Sports media figures now carry cultural weight far beyond the booth. McAfee, Tirico, and Simmons joining athletes and executives on the same list is significant. Furthermore, it reflects how broadcasters, journalists, and digital creators increasingly drive the sports conversation.

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RightLine with Drew Steele Added to WDBO, WHIO Lineups

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RightLine with Drew Steele is growing. The extension of the Florida’s Voice Radio show has added two new affiliates.

What We Know: The show is expanded to bring its weekend show to new markets. The show will now be heard on WDBO in Orlando and WHIO in Dayton. Both stations are owned by Cox Media Group. Steele hosts the weekday version of the show from 104.5 WOKV in Jacksonville.

What They Said: “Our national footprint is growing, and joining these great radio stations is truly humbling. With so much breaking news over the weekends, we knew we had to go live. I am genuinely grateful for the chance to join this conversation coast to coast. A sincere thank you to our new station partners for the warm welcome — we are ready to listen, connect, and serve these communities nationwide.” -RightLine host Drew Steele

What Remains Unclear: When the show will air on each station.

What It Means: Plenty of national news transpires from Florida. Having a host in the state reaching out to a national audience is a good thing. The expansion also puts more timely programming in a window that has been put on the back burner at many stations.

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UFC President Dana White Expects “Super Bowl” Type Viewership for UFC Freedom 250 Event

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UFC President Dana White is setting massive expectations for this weekend’s event. He believes Sunday’s UFC Freedom 250 will draw viewership numbers comparable to the Super Bowl.

What We Know: UFC Freedom 250 takes place Sunday on the South Lawn of the White House. The event marks a historically unique setting for a major UFC card. Fans can tune in to watch the action live on Paramount+ but not CBS television. It is one of the most unconventional broadcast opportunities in the sport’s history.

What They Said: UFC President Dana White (via TNT Sports UK): “For UFC fans all over the world, this is a very unique experience for everybody. We’re expecting Super Bowl-type numbers for this fight.”

What Remains Unclear: The UFC Freedom 250 event currently is scheduled to only air behind the paywall of Paramount+. Not on CBS television. While there has been some back-and-forth about where the broadcast could end up, the UFC nor CBS has announced any additional distribution outside of Paramount+.

What It Means: Dana White’s job as a promoter is to hype up his event. Throwing out a notion of this UFC Freedom 250 event drawing “Super Bowl” type numbers is just ludicrous on its face. However, if the event does find a way to CBS television, the event could pull a larger audience than a potential Stanley Cup Final game six viewership number. The promotion is staging a once-in-a-lifetime event, but it doesn’t compare to the cultural phenomenon that is the Super Bowl.

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iHeartMedia 95.5 The Bull Las Vegas Reshuffles Dayparts After Sammi Tempesta Joins Middays

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iHeartMedia 95.5 The Bull KWNR/Las Vegas has restructured its afternoon lineup. APD Sammi Tempesta now holds the noon-3pm airshift.

What We Know: Tempesta, who also serves at Adult Hits sister KYMT, joined the KWNR team in March. Her addition to middays triggers a ripple effect across the schedule. Lois “Double L” Lewis returns to her original time slot after temporarily expanding to 9am-2pm. SVPP MoJoe Roberts, previously on 2-7pm, now launches his show at 3pm.

What’s at Stake: Daypart stability matters — especially on a heritage Country signal in a major market. Tempesta’s dual-station role adds programming flexibility but also raises questions about bandwidth. Keeping a seasoned voice like Lewis in place signals continuity is a priority. Roberts’ afternoon drive slot remains a critical revenue window.

What Remains Unclear: No official reason has been given for the March expansion of Lewis’s show. It’s also unclear whether Tempesta’s midday role is permanent or transitional. Her workload across two stations bears watching.

What It Means: KWNR is quietly recalibrating without making dramatic moves. Management appears to be balancing new talent with proven performers. For Tempesta, adding a solo airshift is a meaningful career step. This is a station managing growth carefully.

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Phil Boyce to Receive the Gold Standard in Programming Award at the 2026 Barrett Media Audio Summit

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The 2026 Barrett Media Audio Summit presented by Point to Point Marketing is exactly three weeks away. That’s when our news media show kicks off the three-day industry conference. If you work in the business and value learning, connecting, innovating, and celebrating success, join us in the room. This conference has something for everyone regardless of whether you work in music, news, advertising or sports media. Tickets are available here or thru the Summit section up top.

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Today’s announcement is about honoring excellence in news/talk programming. It is my pleasure to name Phil Boyce, the 2026 recipient of the Gold Standard in Programming Award. Phil will receive the honor and address the room on Tuesday, June 30th during the Premiere Networks Awards ceremony.

We introduced this honor in 2024. Ken Charles of WSB and Julia Ziegler of WTOP were the 2024 and 2025 winners. Our 2026 recipient’s prints are all over the news talk radio industry. He has played a pivotal role in launching careers and shaping the format into what it is today. If the honor were based on past accomplishments, Phil Boyce could win this award annually. But it’s the work he’s done in 2025-2026 that demonstrates how much of a force he remains today.

Looking back at 2025, we gathered the news media family in NYC on September 3rd and 4th. One week later, Charlie Kirk was assassinated in front of the entire world. For many, it was a tragic event and something you discussed among colleagues, friends and family. For Phil Boyce, it was the loss of a friend, an employee/partner, and a show that was a huge part of Salem Radio’s lineup.

No matter how strong of a programmer you are, there is no playbook for managing through a situation like that. You have to think about your employees, your audience, your advertisers, your bosses, and the way you address and message everything. There’s a need to provide friendship and support to Charlie’s Turning Point USA family, offering ample space to grieve and broadcast, while also thinking about how to move forward. Furthermore, there’s thinking about your hosts, and whether or not to put them back out for live shows. If you do, how do you make sure they’re safe? What do you do if danger arises?

That lesson in leadership is hard enough. Now combine that with talented hosts leaving to explore futures in politics, and it puts even greater strain on keeping a brand strong. Yet if you look at how Salem came through it, Phil Boyce once again passed the test with flying colors.

Sometimes we take for granted how important a strong programming leader is. We trust that they’ll show up and do what they do, as if its just another typical day in radioland. But there’s a reason why people like Phil Boyce stand tall among programming giants. They are always prepared. And in the face of adversity, they keep brands, companies, and businesses thriving, regardless of what’s in front of them.

Phil Boyce’s programming accomplishments are endless. Talk radio professionals revere him and respect him, for good reason. As crazy as it sounds, his work in 2025-2026, might have been his most important work yet.

On behalf of the news/talk radio industry, I am honored to present Phil with the 2026 Gold Standard in Programming Award. The ceremony on Tuesday, June 30th should be a memorable one. I hope to see you in the room.

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The Industry According to: Jill Weindorf, Concord Label Group

Thank you for checking out The Industry According To. Every Tuesday we speak with a different expert or leader from somewhere in the vast music industry — label executives, artist managers, programmers, talent, artists, consultants, and beyond. To be considered as a future guest, email me at keithblackboxgroup@gmail.com.

Today we sit down with a veteran whose career is essentially a doctorate in label marketing, artist development, catalog strategy, and promotion, Jill Weindorf. She has led major campaigns for Paul McCartney, Nathaniel Rateliff, Ghost, and countless others.

Jill is currently the EVP of Marketing of Concord Label Group, which includes running the Active Catalogue team. She works directly with artists and their teams in a modern, 360° role, spearheading long-term brand management for active artists with depth of catalogue — including John Fogerty, CCR, The Offspring, Seether, The Revivalists, and more. Next year will mark her 20th year at the label group. Prior to Concord, she spent time at Elektra, EMI, Blue Note, and Verve.

So, let’s dive in.

*Editor’s Note: Answers have been edited for clarity and length.*

The Artists-Are-Brands Era

Keith: You’re known for building marketing strategies with artists, not just for them. We’re at the point where it feels like an artist’s brand — their storylines, partnerships, affiliations, image — is now almost as important as the music itself. Do you see it that way? Tell us your view on artists also being viewed as brands.

Jill: “That’s absolutely the way I approach marketing. Everything starts with the artist’s vision for the music, and supporting that vision through every aspect of their career is essential. Everything is connected, and there is always an overarching brand to cultivate and protect. The story and how we navigate that brand development is central to how we build an active and authentic audience for the music.”

The Artist’s Lifespan

Keith: When you first got into this business, artist development was “long-term,” but the industry is obsessed with short-term spikes. What’s the smarter strategy today — building gradually for the long game, or going all-in on an early spike?

Jill: “There isn’t one answer to this question because there are so many variables to consider. But longevity is always a top consideration. Sometimes an artist goes viral for songs that are anomalies, or there is something within the virality that isn’t aligned with the long game. That can affect how we respond.

Other times, spikes have created entire marketing activations. Sometimes you get a sync placement that completely ignites a song. Moments like that are amazing, and we might go all-in — but those are rare instances. That’s why we don’t wait for those moments; we work with the artist to create our own. This makes evaluating what to lean into and what to let burn out only part of our equation. We avoid reacting to virality that requires jumping onto trends without context. It’s fine to be part of a trend intentionally, but if it’s off-brand, it’s also fine to sit it out. The best part of marketing in the current landscape is that we have so much more immediate connection with fans, and they give us so much direction. We listen, and that’s how we win.”

Radio’s Role

Keith: Concord still heavily invests in radio promotions. From your POV, what does radio do best for your artists that other platforms can’t or don’t do as well?

Jill: “It depends on what radio we’re talking about and how we choose to work together. Overall, radio helps contextualize the artist. It creates cultural awareness, drives more curated exposure, and can help build community. Radio also impacts touring, which is essential to supporting our artists holistically.

When I built the promotion team over a decade ago, radio was in a markedly different place — and so was Concord. We weren’t a contemporary hit-driven promotion department; we were in niche formats with less mainstream artists. We always strategized our campaigns with an artist development and marketing-driven approach. Today, that same ethos is in place. Our team has always worked beyond the charts, so they’ve been able to navigate the current marketing landscape very quickly and successfully. It’s the combination of having relevant artists, the right music, and a promotion team that understands how to execute using the complete value proposition radio presents. When you have that deep understanding, you know how to maximize your marketing.”

Marketing Across Many Labels

Keith: You’re responsible for marketing efforts across several labels with different audiences, genres, and cultures. Once the music is great, what’s the most important next step in building a marketing plan that works?

Jill: “I always talk to A&R about why they signed the artist. Signing an artist is a big commitment — it comes with a passionate point of view. I want to hear it and understand it. Whenever possible, I’d try to meet with the artist and ask them what’s important to them and what they want from the label. When I ran cross-label marketing, I worked with the individual marketing leads at every label, weighing in on marketing strategy and then helping them execute through Concord’s central marketing team. The next step, regardless of the genre or label, is audience analysis. Who is the audience, and how active are they? Where is the opportunity to build more audience? Combine that with the artist and A&R vision, and the plan really starts to take shape. Then it’s about the internal sale to the team (this was my specialty 😉), identifying the path to the market, and executing along the way.”

The “Middle Class” Artists

Keith: There’s a growing “middle class” of artists who may not be household names but have developed real careers from a strong touring and merch structure. How do you build models for these artists differently than you would for those on a superstar trajectory?

Jill: Artists have so much choice when it comes to finding the right label partner, and I’m always mindful of keeping the marketing commitment elevated no matter who the artist is or where they are in their career. With touring artists, we do a lot more hand-to-hand combat and micro marketing. The touring artist attracts the most dedicated fans.

Think of the last time you went to a show. There is so much competition for time and money, yet you choose to show up because live music is an exhilarating, communal rush. When we have artists who tour consistently, we make sure we’re seizing that present audience and the opportunity audience that’s just outside the funnel. Those are our superfans. First-party data capture for those fans is essential, as is strong advertising for every element of the artist’s business.

Are these fans following? Are they aware of the new music? Did we serve them, and did we serve the opportunity audience around them — that is, did we set up the local radio interview, create local meetups, and bring in more audience? If the answer is no, we’re failing. Our touring artists are the backbone of our business. Though the marketing around a tour as a main driver can be more micro-focused, it doesn’t stop us from doing all the legacy, new, and opportunity marketing, too. Tours create motion, and an artist in motion requires constant marketing support — and we’re here to provide that.

Catalogue Mania

Keith: Concord has a deep catalog, and it seems every month we see news of another big catalog transaction. How do you market catalog in a way that feels modern, not just nostalgic?

Jill: Concord has launched a new department — Active Catalogue — and I’m proud to run it. It’s the most fun job I’ve had in my almost 20-year tenure at Concord. We serve Concord artists who are actively releasing new music but also have depth of catalogue, publishing, film, or theatrical ties under the Concord umbrella.

We offer these artists full support for their brand. I work as closely as possible with artist and management teams, agents, and publishers to be deeply engrained in their day-to-day business so we can actively promote everything the artist does. By way of example, I oversee the entire catalogue for John Fogerty — both from a solo perspective and from the CCR assets. This past year, we orchestrated a plan around John’s 80th birthday, his reclamation of his publishing rights, and the release of his new LEGACY album. We didn’t take a “catalogue” approach to the campaign, even though the repertoire was all classic songs.

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John was the keynote speaker at SXSW, he took over SXM for a weekend, and he headlined the iHeartRadio Fest in Vegas. He appeared on Joe Rogan, Trackstar, and Dan Patrick. He played on NPR’s Tiny Desk and The Colbert Show. We doubled his social media following and his previous streaming numbers across his entire catalogue. Concurrently, we launched a new collaboration with Eric Church and NASCAR, plus a new remix with The Outliers. We also released the entire CCR catalogue on colored vinyl and partnered with the NFL to create a new NFL Draft Mix of “Proud Mary.” It’s not nostalgia marketing when the artist is plugged into the cultural conversation. That’s what new mixes, collabs, videos, and brand partnerships can do to reinvigorate a catalogue artist. What other 80-year-old artist had a year-plus of massive looks like these? Next week, John will receive the Songwriter’s Hall of Fame’s highest honor. Let’s gooooooo!

Data Tricks and Traps

Keith: Parts of the music industry have become very transactional, with data leading the way. What data matters most to you when you’re making decisions, and what metrics matter far less — the numbers where your gut still wins?

Jill: “I look at all the streaming data. What really informs my marketing decisions is when I see a ‘lean forward’ audience. When searches, saves, and on-demand streaming are rising — that’s actionable. Instagram and TikTok song creates are also part of my regular review. YouTube analytics offer a wealth of fan behavior there to analyze. From how they consume on YouTube, I can tell a lot about what the audience wants. Additionally, when Shazam is lit up from a sync or strong radio play, I know I need to move. Another strong metric to monitor is ticket sales and merch demand. You can’t manufacture any of that, so you know you’re connecting authentically. Radio call-out data means less to me these days — except for SXM, which can really give a good early read on a record.”

What If IG and TikTok Just… Went Away

Keith: Data shows the younger audience is facing real social media fatigue and craving different societal and music experiences — for example, vinyl. If Instagram and TikTok vanished tomorrow — no clones, no replacements — what would that mean for labels, for artists, and for your job?

Jill: “Music is about connection. There is no replacement for it. The mechanism for discovery evolves, but what music gives to the world doesn’t go away. That will never change. If social fatigue sets in and there is total backlash, we adjust our tactics accordingly. That’s the beauty of being a true, always-on, contemporary marketing team. We have an extremely well-balanced, brand-forward marketing mix, and we aren’t so naïve or arrogant to think we know it all. We listen to the artist, and we listen to the audience. I don’t know what it would mean for other labels, artists, and music execs — but we’re evolving every day, and we’d simply pivot, because our artists are counting on us to be adaptable.”

The Marketing Mix

Keith: With everything from radio, sync, digital, brand partnerships, and creative all under your umbrella — what’s the most undervalued or underappreciated marketing lane in 2026?

Jill: “I wouldn’t call it undervalued or underappreciated, but I’d say the most misunderstood marketing function is sync. There is a real lack of understanding about how hard the creative sync game can be. Everyone wants sync because it creates exposure and revenue. But what goes into landing great sync placements is a lot of tedious work.

There are times when our team works on something for months — creating new music, sourcing a remix or a collab, getting the artist to buy in, and negotiating the rates. They get everything done, quoted, pitched, and then at the last minute, the director comes back and says they chose another song. It’s brutal, and everyone’s disappointed — and nobody knows how much went into it all. Then there are other times when I’ve seen our team do all of this and successfully land a sync that launches full-on marketing activations. I always tease them by saying they are the new promo guys — ‘heroes or zeros’ depending on the day.”

The One Situation

Keith: You’ve worked on campaigns for some of the biggest and most unique artists in the world. What’s that one situation you look back on and think, “I can’t believe we pulled that off” — or — “How did we ever make it out of that crisis?”

Jill: So many come to mind, but two that stand out involve McCartney. We shut down the street in New York for Paul’s first underplay when we released his album Memory Almost Full*, and we did it again in LA when he did an in-store at Amoeba around his* NEW album. Both events were absolutely wild. Another artist that everyone said would never break through to the mainstream is Ghost, whose last record debuted at #1 all over the globe — and they now sell out arenas, which is awesome. I Prevail, The Revivalists, and Nathaniel Rateliff are all tied to moments where I just knew we’d break through, and we grinded to make sure they became career artists — not just artists who had a song or two. That’s what I love to do: artist and career development. It’s a rush, and that’s why marketing across active artist catalogue is so fantastic. There is always so much to do when you’re working with career artists.”

The Blank Slate

Keith: Last question — blank slate — say anything you want to any sector of the music industry. What do you want them to hear?

Jill: “Everyone fell asleep already, no more comments!!! 😉”

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