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Pod Save America, Dan Bongino See Top Finishes in September Triton Digital Podcast Rankings

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Triton Digital’s September 2026 podcast rankings featured strong performances from political talk shows, including Pod Save America and The Dan Bongino Show. Meanwhile, The Joe Rogan Experience maintained its position atop the listeners and viewers rankings.

What We Know: Political and news commentary programs claimed three of the top five positions in Triton Digital’s Top Podcasts by Weekly Average Downloads category. Pod Save America ranked second, The Dan Bongino Show finished fourth, and The Bulwark Podcast placed fifth. Elsewhere, several political podcasts shifted positions throughout the top 20, while The Charlie Kirk Show slipped to 21st and exited the rankings’ top tier.

What The Numbers Show: Armstrong & Getty On Demand fell one position to 12th, while Bulwark Takes climbed three places to 17th. Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar dropped one spot to 18th, and The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show fell three positions to 19th. Additionally, The Charlie Kirk Show slipped two places to 21st. In the Top Podcasts by Listeners/Viewers survey category, The Joe Rogan Experience remained first. The Tucker Carlson Show climbed two spots to ninth, while The Ramsey Show jumped 14 positions to 16th.

What Remains Unclear: The rankings don’t explain what drove the individual programs’ gains and declines during September. They also don’t establish whether the shifts reflect lasting audience changes or short-term fluctuations in podcast consumption.

What It Means: Political commentary continues to occupy prominent positions in the podcast landscape, with multiple programs maintaining top-five finishes by weekly downloads. However, the listener and viewer survey offers a different perspective on podcast reach beyond download totals. The gains for Tucker Carlson and Ramsey Solutions’ flagship program also highlight how rankings can shift across different measurement methods.

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ESPN/ABC Set To Broadcast First ELCLÁSICO This Weekend

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No rivalry in soccer carries more weight than Barcelona vs. Real Madrid. The 265th ELCLÁSICO makes its ESPN/ABC debut Sunday at 4 p.m. ET.

What We Know: ABC, ESPN Deportes and ESPN+ will combine to carry the 265th ELCLÁSICO live from Barcelona on Sunday, October 25. English-language viewers can stream the match on ESPN+, while Spanish-language fans can tune in to ESPN Deportes. Additionally, ESPN Unlimited subscribers can watch through the ESPN App. Ian Darke and Steve McManaman will call the English broadcast, and Fernando Palomo and Eduardo Biscayart will handle Spanish alongside reporters Martin Ainstein and Moises Llorens. Meanwhile, starting on Thursday October 22nd Dan Thomas and Mauricio Pedroza will host three days of studio programming from Barcelona, joined by Craig Burley, Sid Lowe and others.

What’s at Stake: The ratings test. ESPN is putting ELCLÁSICO on broadcast television for the first time, against the NFL’s late Sunday games. The result could shape whether more soccer lands on ABC.

What Remains Unclear:  It’s unclear how much of the American sports audience it can attract when going against the NFL. Whether ELCLÁSICO will become a regular ABC event and how many additional matches the network will televise remains to be seen.

What It Means: The debut could widen ELCLÁSICO’s U.S. audience beyond cable and streaming subscribers. However, the 4 p.m. kickoff lands in the NFL’s late Sunday window. The viewership will show how much room soccer has on a football Sunday. Moreover, ABC airs Monday Night Football the next evening, which allows a chance to promote both events. A strong turnout might also encourage the network to put more soccer on broadcast television. 

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NFL Network Sees Strong Viewership for London Series in 2026

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NFL Network’s London slate delivered another ratings boost this season. Sunday’s Texans–Jaguars matchup capped a three-game stretch that averaged 6.4 million viewers.

What We Know: The audience increased 7% compared to the network’s six-game International Series average last season. Meanwhile, the network averaged 6.9 million viewers across its three London games this season, up 15% against the same 2025 benchmark. Bob Wischusen made his nationally televised NFL regular-season play-by-play debut alongside longtime ESPN colleague Louis Riddick, with Molly McGrath reporting from the sideline. Additionally, the network will carry the league’s first-ever Paris game on this weekend.

What the Data says:

Game / Coverage2026 Viewers2025 AverageYoY ChangeNetwork
Jaguars vs. Texans6.4M~6.0M+7%NFL Network / NFL+
London Games (Season to Date)6.9M~6.0M+15%NFL Network

What Remains Unclear: NFL Network hasn’t detailed how much NFL+ streaming or over-the-air viewing contributed to the audience. Additionally, its year-over-year comparisons involve different numbers of games, making direct comparisons difficult.

What It Means: The results strengthen the NFL’s case for expanding its international footprint. For NFL Network, the increases demonstrate the value of overseas games as exclusive programming. Moreover, strong morning audiences could attract advertisers seeking national reach beyond traditional broadcast windows. The numbers also suggest international matchups can generate meaningful domestic interest regardless of location. However, the league must sustain that momentum as it enters additional markets. Sunday’s Paris debut will offer another opportunity to evaluate the strategy.

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840 WHAS Host Terry Meiners Named 2026 Louisvillian of the Year

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Terry Meiners has been named the 2026 Louisvillian of the Year by the American Advertising Federation Louisville. The 840 WHAS host will be honored for his broadcasting career and contributions to the community.

What We Know: Meiners has been a fixture on Louisville radio since joining 840 WHAS in 1986. The American Advertising Federation Louisville selected Meiners for the annual recognition, which honors individuals whose contributions extend beyond professional success. He’s also dedicated significant time to charitable causes, including the WHAS Crusade for Children. Meiners has hosted the organization’s annual fundraising effort for 27 consecutive years, making him its longest-serving host. AAF-Louisville will host a special reception on Wednesday, December 2nd.

What They Said: “For generations, Terry Meiners has been one of Louisville’s most trusted and recognizable voices. Through his commitment to our community, his passion for local storytelling, and his unwavering support of organizations like the Crusade for Children, Terry has made an immeasurable impact on Louisville. We are proud to see him honored as the 2026 Louisvillian of the Year, a recognition that reflects both his extraordinary career and his lasting legacy of service.” -iHeartMedia Louisville Region President Kristy Beebe

What Remains Unclear: Organizers haven’t announced additional details about the reception or whether other speakers will participate in the event.

What It Means: The recognition highlights Meiners’ influence on Louisville beyond the microphone. His nearly four decades at 840 WHAS and longstanding commitment to charitable causes have made him a prominent figure in the community. The honor also underscores the role local broadcasters can play in supporting civic organizations and connecting audiences with causes that serve their neighbors.

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Blaine Bishop Reportedly Departs Middays AT 104.5 The Zone

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104.5 The Zone in Nashville has reportedly parted ways with Blaine Bishop, according to a report by Paul Kuharsky. As a result, the former Titans standout no longer co-hosts Cover Two middays on the radio station.

What We Know: Bishop co-hosted Cover Two with Zach Lyons weekdays from 1-3 p.m. He joined the station in January 2010 as part of 3HL. Additionally, he worked on the Titans’ pre- and postgame shows for the team’s flagship station. His final Cover Two appearance was last Thursday. Station management has not responded to Barrett Media for comment.

What’s At Stake: Bishop is a long standing fixture on the Nashville sports radio outlet. The program has been regularly recognized by the Barrett Media Top 20 midday show rankings. Bishop’s departure is first departure from the weekday lineup since Kayla Anderson in May of last year, while the station has extended both Ramon Foster and Ron Slay.

What Remains Unclear: Bishop nor the station has not commented on the reporting. Notably, The Zone removed Bishop’s photo with Lyons from the Cover Two page.

What It Means: Bishop’s exit ends a 16-year run with one of Nashville’s top sports stations. Moreover, he brought 10 NFL seasons, nine with the Oilers/Titans and one with Philadelphia, plus four Pro Bowls. Whether or not the station will replace Bishop is still unknown, but the impact might be felt from a talent who the listening audience grew to know for over 15 years.

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JJ Watt Signs Multi-Year Extension as CBS Sports Lead NFL Analyst

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JJ Watt is officially the lead analyst for The NFL on CBS. The future Hall of Famer signed a new multi-year agreement with the network.

What We Know: David Berson, Chairman of Skydance’s Global Sports Group, announced the deal Thursday. Watt joined CBS Sports in 2023 as a studio analyst on The NFL Today. Last season, he moved to the booth alongside Ian Eagle and Evan Washburn. Then, at the start of the 2026 season, he joined Jim Nantz and Tracy Wolfson on the network’s lead team following the dismissal of Tony Romo departing the network.

What They Said: JJ Watt: “I am incredibly honored and grateful to have the opportunity to represent CBS Sports and all of the fantastic people who make this place so special. From the brotherhood of THE NFL TODAY to my crews calling games, I couldn’t ask for better teammates alongside me on this television journey. I am thankful to David Berson for his leadership, vision and trust. I love this job and can’t wait to see ya Sunday with Jim and Tracy and many more Sundays to come!”

David Berson: “I’ve had a front-row seat to JJ’s growth as a top-tier broadcaster, watching him tackle this role just like he did his hall-of-fame playing career. He’s insightful, entertaining, passionate, meticulous in his preparation, and the ultimate teammate. He has a unique ability to see things and communicate to fans of all levels. We are thrilled to have him leading our NFL coverage.”

What Remains Unclear: However, CBS did not disclose the exact length of the agreement. Also, financial terms are unknown.

What It Means: Ultimately, the deal locks in CBS Sports’ top booth for years to come. Moreover, next season, Watt, Nantz and Wolfson will call Super Bowl LXII in Atlanta. Moreover, Watt brings serious credibility to the role. In addition, he is a three-time Defensive Player of the Year who recorded 114.5 sacks over 12 NFL seasons.

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Musician Groups Urge FCC to Keep Local Radio Ownership Rule

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Musician advocacy groups want the FCC to keep the Local Radio Ownership Rule. They’re pushing back as broadcasters lobby to eliminate the limits.

What We Know:  The MusicFirst Coalition and Future of Music Coalition recently met virtually with FCC staff. They spoke with the Office of Economics and Analytics and the Media Bureau. The rule caps how many stations one entity can own in a market. It also limits how many can share the same service, AM or FM. By law, the FCC must review its broadcast ownership rules every four years. It then decides whether each rule still serves the public interest. The FCC closed the formal comment round in its 2022 Quadrennial Review, but it still hears from interested parties in meetings.

Meanwhile, the NAB wants the limits gone, and it says broadcasters large and small agree. The groups counter that AM/FM stations don’t pay performance royalties for over-the-air plays, while digital rivals do. As a result, they say, radio holds a significant cost advantage.

What They Said: “We believe that music creators should be paid fairly for the use of their work by all platforms that use music as a draw to attract audiences and advertising dollars.” –MusicFirst Coalition and Future of Music Coalition

What Remains Unclear: It’s unclear when the FCC will act on the 2022 Quadrennial Review. The commission hasn’t signaled whether it will keep, loosen or remove the Local Radio Ownership Rule. Likewise, reports don’t indicate how staff responded during the virtual meeting. Whether the FCC will consider partial changes instead of full removal also remains open.

What It Means: The outcome could reshape how radio groups grow in local markets. If the FCC removes the cap, larger companies could consolidate more stations. Conversely, keeping the rule would preserve limits that the groups say protect smaller stations and local voices. The decision could also show how aggressively the FCC plans to loosen other broadcast ownership rules. Either way, the royalty debate between the NAB and musician advocates isn’t going away.

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Alissa Pollack Shares Her Secrets to Networking Success in Radio and Music

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Scroll through Alissa Pollack’s Instagram and you’ll lose count. Picture after picture of artists, executives, programmers and friends — plenty of them famous, all of them people she can call by name.

Ask her how she remembers them all, and the answer is almost too simple. “I don’t know. You just do, right?” Pollack said. “I don’t know that I ever forget. I think that just comes down to genuinely caring and staying in touch.”

That idea — genuinely caring — runs through everything Pollack says about building a network. And she’s built one of the best in the business.

These days, she’s working on what she calls one of her favorite campaigns ever: a podcast with Nile Rodgers. It recently took her to London for an episode taping with Sienna Spiro. Anyone who has spent five minutes around Rodgers knows the challenge. “We’ve actually had some of the artists almost start interviewing Nile because he’s so interesting,” she laughed. “Everyone’s like, I almost want to talk about you, Nile. Forget my stuff.”

But a seat in a room full of Nile Rodgers stories doesn’t happen by accident. Hers started a long time ago, at Z100.

It Started With an Intern Who Cared

Pollack traces her success all the way back to the beginning. “I feel like any success I’ve had in my career has actually come from the fact that I actually care,” she said. “Even when I started way back in the day of being an intern at Z100, I always, always focused on building real relationships.”

She was curious. She volunteered for projects that weren’t her job. And she learned early that simply showing up mattered.

“Showing up, meeting people, and making relationships was honestly the best thing you could do for your career,” Pollack said.

Over time, those relationships became something bigger. “I joke it’s not really a job; it’s a lifestyle,” she said. Because people in this business work so much, colleagues become the real friends. Beyond her childhood and school friends, Pollack said, it’s clients and coworkers who make up her “real friend base now.”

The Best Networking Doesn’t Feel Like Networking

People hear the word “networking” and think of a job hunt. Pollack sees it differently.

“The best networking doesn’t feel like networking,” she said. “It’s really about being curious about people and asking questions and genuinely listening to the answers. It’s trying to figure out how can I help that other person, and how do I build a real relationship with them.”

This is a small business, and it gets smaller by the minute. The same faces keep showing up, just with new titles and new companies. That’s exactly why how you treat people matters.

“The assistant you need today could be running the company tomorrow,” Pollack said. “How you make them feel is always going to be more important than anything else you do.”

Her rule is simple: stop asking, “Where’s the win for me?”

“It’s really just about building relationships and finding the mutual wins,” she said, “and the rest kind of takes care of itself.”

When You Call, They Pick Up

Ask Pollack for the one call that paid off years later, and she can’t narrow it down. Starting on the Premiere Radio side and through a career that kept evolving, she’s leaned on a long list of people — Tom Poleman, Kraig Kitchin, Rich Meyer, Julie Talbott, Jen Leimgruber, Jim Ryan, Kurt Johnson, Tom Cuddy, Rick Cummings, Pat Paxton, Jeff Smulyan, Richard Palmese, Steve Bartels and Irving Azoff among them.

“Whether I talked to them the day before or talked to them the year before, when I called up, they took my phone call and they always took care of me,” Pollack said. “I always felt like I was so blessed by having cultivated relationships that were so real and so deep and so mutually beneficial that when I called out of nowhere, they still picked up the phone. I’ve always loved that my relationships extended far beyond just within my own company and carried over regardless of what company someone worked at.”

That’s the payoff. Not a favor on demand, but a phone that gets answered.

The Charity Room Is a Networking Room

There’s one door Pollack says opened more for her career than most: charity work.

She started doing it more than 20 years ago. Those events put her in rooms with people “two, three levels higher than me at any given time.” She was there for genuine reasons. But the relationships stuck.

“Meeting some of those people was a real game changer for me later on in my business career,” she said. “Those were people running companies that were important clients of mine. I normally would never have even gotten a meeting with them if it weren’t for the fact that I got to network and meet them around the charity part of it.”

It’s advice she gives interns and young staffers all the time. City of Hope, Musicians On Call, the T.J. Martell Foundation, MusiCares and UJA are all organizations full of industry people.

“I don’t want to say it’s an audition or it’s an interview,” Pollack said. “But if you’re young and you’re hungry and you get in front of some of these high-level people and they see that you’re able to creatively raise money or get things done, it can really impress people.”

Plus, you’re helping cure cancer or bringing the healing power of music to patients. “There’s really no downside in that,” she said.

And for anyone who misses the old convention days, Pollack has a pitch. She calls the Taste of Hope wine dinner, benefiting City of Hope and Musicians On Call, “one of the last conventions left that’s conveniently disguised as a charity event.” Her verdict: it’s “a networking event of epic proportions.”

The Biggest Mistake: Chasing the Short Win

So where do young people go wrong? Pollack doesn’t hesitate.

“They’re short-sighted in what true networking and relationships are,” she said. “It’s not good when you focus on the short-term win instead of the long-term relationship.”

Grab the best deal for your commission today, and you might lose a partner for the next 20 years. And people notice.

“People can also read it,” Pollack said. “If you go out in the world and people can tell that your agenda is just to get something, or you only pay attention to people for their title, I think those are the mistakes people make.”

Every relationship involves some kind of exchange, she added. “But if it’s one-sided and it’s not genuine, that never really worked.”

When You Need the Network

Then comes the hard part. You lose your job, and suddenly you need the people you’ve met.

Pollack says to start by being thoughtful. Think about who you’ve supported along the way. And don’t lead with “Do you have a job for me?” Instead, ask for ideas, or for someone else worth talking to.

“If you’ve done a good job, people will reach out to you and offer to help,” she said. “But I think it’s important to not make people feel like you’re leaning on them when you haven’t put in the work to be able to earn that opportunity.”

At Mediabase, Pollack and Josh Medleck put that into practice. When they read in the trades that someone has been let go or downsized, they reach out automatically. They offer a free password, along with love and support.

“It should never feel like you’re only reaching out to people when you need something,” she said. “That’s just not genuine.”

Artists, Don’t Forget Your Champions

Before wrapping up, Pollack added one more angle. Networking isn’t just for executives in radio and records. It matters just as much for artists.

She’s texted over the years with the likes of Alex Warren, Shinedown’s Brent Smith, Ryan Tedder and Garth Brooks. Sabrina Carpenter is in her phone too — someone Pollack has championed “from day one.” Smith, she said, is the kind of artist who really cares and never forgets.

“You’re gonna have people that champion you from the very beginning, and they care about you. And as you rise, don’t forget those people,” she said. “You’re not always going to have a smash every single time. If you’ve created good relationships and you’ve remembered the people that were there for you, they’re going to be there for you.”

It doesn’t matter if it’s been a week, four years or a decade since the last conversation, Pollack said.

“If you leave people feeling good about you, they’re going to be excited to talk to you,” she said. “You’ll always reconnect with those people.”

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Why Fox News Borrowed a Page From the Barstool Sports Playbook to Reach Younger Audiences

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Fox News made a smart move by hiring Kate DePetro as its behind-the-scenes insider. DePetro, a former assistant to Dana Perino, will create content as an “insider” for Fox News Now. She’ll show viewers how the network and its sister properties operate. Honestly, I think it’s perfect.

The network has done a fantastic job building its tribe in older demographics. Cable news is a daily habit for that crowd, and Fox News owns the category. Younger viewers, however, don’t live on cable. They live on digital platforms, and this role targets them there.

Digital platforms reward one thing above almost everything else: a glimpse into how the sausage gets made. I’ve written about this before, and the principle hasn’t changed. People who love your brand want to know everything about it.

Why the Sausage Sells

Consider the NFL. Do you think franchises post videos of equipment staffers prepping rookies for their first practice because a contract requires it? Hell no. They post them because fans want to see that stuff. Fans also want to watch the team chef plan meals, cook all the food, and explain what players do and don’t eat.

Barstool Sports rode the same strategy to its heights. I don’t know the exact percentages, but it feels like half of Barstool’s content is about Barstool itself. That isn’t an accident.

Consequently, the audience feels like part of the family, and fans keep coming back.

An Insider With Real Credibility

DePetro isn’t an outsider playing a part. She’s lived it. She worked overnights as a production assistant on Fox & Friends, and she later helped supervise the show’s green room. Then she spent two years as Perino’s assistant, where she helped build the anchor’s social media presence.

That background matters. Authenticity is the entire game here. A polished corporate host would feel forced. Someone who’s spent years in the green room, though, can introduce familiar faces in a fresh way.

She’s also working on The Vow, a Fox Nation dating series that Chris Harrison hosts. Clearly, Fox trusts her with more than one project.

A Low-Risk Test With High Upside

Now, Fox News gets to test the strategy. The network hasn’t detailed how often DePetro will post, so the early results remain a mystery. Still, I’d bet dollars to donuts this does well. Younger audiences get a glimpse into a brand they either already know or are discovering for the first time. Some of them will become fans because of this content.

Meanwhile, the older audience keeps doing what it does. Fox News doesn’t have to give up anything to chase younger viewers. In other words, it adds without subtracting.

Furthermore, the format is cheap, repeatable, and native to the platforms where younger people spend their time.

Of course, execution matters. Viewers can smell a scripted peek behind the curtain from a mile away. DePetro needs real access, real personality, and a little unpolished mess.

If Fox News gives her that freedom, the content will land. If it over-manages her, the audience will notice immediately.

The Bigger Picture

Other media brands already prove this works. Podcasts regularly pull listeners in with bonus content about how the show comes together. Radio morning shows build loyalty by sharing the chaos inside the studio.

Likewise, streaming services release making-of clips because curious fans devour them. Fans don’t just want the finished product. They want the story of how it came together.

Cable news has lagged behind here. Traditionally, networks guarded their newsrooms, green rooms, and production meetings like state secrets. Now, those spaces are the content.

Fox News understands that shift, and DePetro gives the network a friendly face to lead it.

The Bottom Line

Ultimately, this hire fits the moment. Fox News already owns its loyal television audience. Now it’s courting the viewers who’ll define the next decade of news consumption, and it’s doing so with someone who knows the building inside and out. Of course, a single hire won’t transform the network’s digital footprint overnight.

But it’s a smart first step, and it’s one that other cable outlets should watch closely. If DePetro delivers what fans crave — the people, the personalities, and the process — Fox News will have found a new way to grow its tribe. I’m eager to see the first few videos.

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Glenn Ordway Reveals Why He Came Out of Retirement To Launch ‘The Big O Podcast’

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Retirement is both a blessing and a curse. It’s a blessing because years of hard work and sacrifice allow a person to live life however they want after a certain point. It’s a curse because finding ways to keep the days busy can be challenging. For Glenn Ordway, after nearly five decades in radio, it was time to retire from his role at Boston’s WEEI four years ago. However, as time passed, his passion for sharing his thoughts with an audience re-emerged.

“The success I had in the [sports radio] business allowed me to live a pretty comfortable life. But to be honest, I just got bored [in retirement],” said Ordway. “It got to a point where you wake up on a Tuesday and ask, ‘Do I want to play golf today?’ Then you wake up Wednesday, and it’s Groundhog Day with the same deal all over again. I needed something to do.”

Just over a month ago, Ordway returned to the microphone. This time, he wasn’t in Boston or even on terrestrial radio. Instead, he launched a podcast available in both audio and video formats on YouTube. The veteran Boston sports radio voice debuted The Big O Podcast, featuring stories, personalities and interviews from his legendary run at WEEI.

Although Ordway joked in his opening episode about being late to the podcasting party, the results have spoken for themselves. With more than 3,500 subscribers on YouTube alone and several episodes already released, Ordway has built a digital community rooted in storytelling. He’s pulling back the curtain on some of Boston’s biggest sports radio questions and most controversial moments.

“I’ve been in the business for fifty years and have been around some great sports teams, memories and personalities. Why not just go back and reconnect with all these moments and people?” explained Ordway. “But I was looking for what could get me the best kickstart out of the gate. There are so many unanswered questions regarding WEEI. I get those all the time. So, why not start with what happened with WEEI?”

Finding Success In Reconnection

The concept for The Big O Podcast began three years ago, after Ordway spent some time enjoying retirement through travel and time with family. However, two hip surgeries, including one that left him completely immobilized, forced him to delay the project several times.

After recovering, Ordway got healthy and lost a significant amount of weight. Eventually, he reached a point where he could begin the early stages of preparing the podcast for launch. Now, just over a month into the project, he says the response has been overwhelming. It has also created monetization opportunities he didn’t have more than a decade ago during his first foray into podcasting.

“We’ve already been hit now by ad agencies that have contacted us with some opportunities. I heard that after the first week, which is amazing. I thought it would take at least six months,” said Ordway. “Listeners want to go behind the curtain and know why certain things happened. Radio has trouble doing that because of sponsorships and people who could be affected by it.”

Encouraged by the early success, Ordway has begun treating his podcast less like a side project and more like a business. He has plans to expand the operation immediately and into 2027.

“I’m into current sports. Now, I’m into college football because I have a lot of free time to watch it. So, we’re going to do more sports stuff and spin it off into another channel,” noted Ordway. “Also, two episodes per week will be [Boston] Celtics-related, featuring me, my son and a rotating third person from Celtics media or a former player. But I have other interests, too. In January, I hope to launch a podcast surrounding wine. The idea is to be a regular Joe who sells you on certain wines to try and enjoy.”

Building A Podcast Audience

Since retiring, Ordway has found himself consuming more podcasts than traditional sports radio. He listens not only to research best practices for commercial insertion and content development but also because he finds podcasts more relaxing and appreciates the room they give conversations to breathe.

Drawing from his research and enjoyment of several podcast categories, Ordway has taken a similar approach to The Big O Podcast that served him well for so many years at WEEI. He embraces an unfiltered style of discussion and storytelling that invites listeners into the personalities behind the content.

“I’m willing to talk about anything. In the business, there are certain things you just can’t say that you want to. Back then, we were open about the behind-the-scenes aspects of the show and station because it was good fodder for the program,” said Ordway. “I’m not taking anything to my grave.”

As he revisits his days at WEEI, Ordway has held court with several of the station’s current and former personalities, walking listeners down memory lane. He’s sat down with Christian Fauria and Lou Merloni, as well as John Dennis, Kirk Minihane and Gerry Callahan. Those three separate conversations also led to an opportunity to reunite the popular Boston trio for an exclusive episode in the coming month.

Ordway maintains a list of potential guests, with each name accompanied by a page of stories he remembers. The notes help him prepare for each conversation. However, despite having a lengthy list of people he wants to interview, he recognizes that not everyone will agree to appear.

“I would love to have Rick Pitino on the program. Rick and I had a small conflict where I denied a request for him to appear on my show when he was at Boston University. Then, when he got the job with the Boston Celtics, good old Rick didn’t forget that Ordway stiffed him back then,” explained Ordway. “I don’t want to just put people on that I’ve had great relationships with. I’d also like to put some on who I’ve had a terrible time with and reconcile before we find the eternal dirt nap. I’m trying to bring peace to the world.”

Learning From Mistakes

Although Ordway still splits his time between his homes in Arizona and Boston, his perspective on Boston sports radio has evolved. He continues to listen to both major stations in the market, but he now follows their content primarily through social media clips rather than extended listening sessions.

For someone who was a giant of the format in Boston, Ordway has noticed significant changes in sports radio since stepping away.

“I made the mistake that a lot of others make when you’re entrenched in it. When you have twenty hours of time to fill, you need to find every scab off a topic to extend it. Sometimes that can wear on an audience by trying too hard to find a negative,” said Ordway. “No offense to anyone doing it. But in today’s sports talk radio, there are more fake or pushed hot takes than ever before. There are people killing themselves to find a hot take, draw it out and throw it on the radio. But that’s part of the business. It always has been.”

Ordway sees a significant difference between hot-take radio and being unpredictable. He believes that sense of unpredictability is missing from today’s sports radio landscape. He also says companies have changed how they define success. Whereas Nielsen ratings once served as the primary measuring stick, success now revolves more around protecting revenue and controlling expenses.

In retirement, Ordway says he doesn’t have many regrets. However, he admits one of his biggest is failing to recognize the importance of building his own brand. It was an opportunity he didn’t fully appreciate years ago.

“In 2009, when I was negotiating a new deal with WEEI, I had a group that came to me and offered me a deal to become my own brand. It was the group that put together the Dan Patrick Show,” explained Ordway. “They wanted me to do a national show and a local show. But it was based on building my brand, not a radio station. If you have a pretty good brand already, spread it out now in digital media. Dan Patrick created a monster of a media operation. Best branding I’ve ever seen, and one of the greatest regrets of my life was not following Dan’s lead. It was a huge mistake.”

Ordway may regret passing up the opportunity to build his own brand nearly two decades ago, but he now has another chance to do so on his own terms. With decades of stories to tell, relationships to revisit and a growing audience eager to hear what happened behind the scenes at WEEI, The Big O Podcast has given him a renewed sense of purpose in retirement.

After nearly 50 years in radio, Ordway has learned that stepping away from the microphone doesn’t necessarily mean walking away from the business.

“I’m getting back to my old roots, and I’m enjoying it immensely,” said Ordway. “Hopefully that comes through to the audience willing to reconnect with an old friend.”

Sometimes, all it takes is a little time away to rediscover what made you love something in the first place. If the early returns are any indication, the best chapters of Ordway’s broadcasting career may still be ahead of him.

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