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One Last Thing Before I Go

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They say all good things must come to an end.  Well, for me, this is the end in this particular space.  My swan song if you will.  I am moving next month and will be working for Entercom in my home market of St. Louis.  

It’s been a great two plus years in Kansas City and I’ll miss the great crew there.  I even learned quite a bit from a few of them! So, with that change I’m going to step back from some other commitments to focus even more on the new challenges.  

By my count this is my 89th column and I hope those that took the time to read any of them, learned a thing or two.  If nothing else, I hope you’ve enjoyed some of the stories that I’ve shared from my twenty-five years (and counting) in the business.

I went back and read my first column this morning, which was mostly about my passion for what we do and how much I love the creative freedom the sports format allows us.  And now, with digital, there’s even more ways to share that creativity and get that content to your listeners.

Our jobs are very challenging and there’s no shortage of disruptions aimed at radio.  However, in most cities there are only one or two places where you can count on hearing consistent sports talk about your local teams, and for our customers, where you can target the engaged sports fan.

We have a huge advantage and have to continue taking advantage of.  I pointed this out in another column, that sports radio was the original target marketing that everyone is high on today because of digital.  It’s just now come full circle that it’s about finding a niche or target market and find a way to own them and beat them over the head with your message and the value to them.

When it comes to managing and my philosophy on selling sports radio, I’m fairly simple.  When it all boils down, there’s six main responsibilities as I’ve talked about several times:  Prospecting, Setting an Appointment with the Decision Maker, doing a Client Needs Analysis, Presenting solutions to their key marketing challenges, Closing the sale and Servicing the sale.  So, my expectation is that you’ll do the job.  You can’t work at McDonald’s as a cook and say you’ll cook everything but the fries.  It doesn’t work that way.  You do the whole job, or someone else does.

If you’re actively doing all six responsibilities, it’s really hard to fail in our business.  Do them all well and you’ll be making a lot of money. But, as we all know, lots of people get into our business because they think it’ll be fun, and it is, but it’s also hard. If anyone isn’t willing to do all six steps with passion and strong knowledge, they’re dead before they start.

I’ve also often referred to the sign that hangs in my office.  Quotes I’ve adopted as my own, taken from training sessions with Dave Gifford back in the day:

  • There’s not a sales problem that cannot be fixed by making more presentations to decision makers
  • Business goes where it’s invited (works for both us and our clients)
  • You are not in sales, you are a marketing consultant who sells ideas and solutions

I hang this in my office so sellers see it each time they walk out of the office.  The key one, of course, being that if they’re in a slump, or sad, or mad, or having personal issues, or had a big cancellation, or something didn’t come through they were counting on, whatever the problem may be – the only answer is to go pitch more business to a decision maker. The more you do, the more you’ll sell. Period.

Thank you again to anyone who is reading this or has read any of the things I’ve written.  Thank you to Jason Barrett and Demetri Ravanos who are not only great to work with, but also great advocates for sports radio.  

Hope all your future days are profitable ones!  

5 Podcasts in 5 Days: Real_Sports with Jack and Abe

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Editor’s note from Jason Barrett:

We’ve reached the final day of our ‘5 Podcasts in 5 Days‘ series. A big thank you to our special guest reviewer Jay Soderberg who took the time to listen to five different shows and offer his candid, direct, and unapologetic thoughts on each program. Though some of the input can sting those hosting the shows, Jay’s focus throughout this project has been to lend a few thoughts to help those creating the content improve their presentation.

As podcasting continues to grow due to its limitless offerings of unique, creative, and original content, it still remains a space without structure and a clear understanding of what does and doesn’t work. Unlike radio which uses ratings measurement to justify the effectiveness of a particular show or host, the success or ineffectiveness of a podcast can often be disguised by how a program is ranked on the Apple podcasting charts.

To help make some sense of it all, we reached out to Jay, who’s served as the Head of Content for BlogTalk Radio, and a digital audio producer, imaging director, and podcast creator for the ESPN Radio network, to put his ear on five shows and let folks know what’s working and what needs some fine tuning. The five programs we chose were Mystery Crate by Dan Le Batard and Friends, The GM Shuffle with Adnan Virk and Michael Lombardi, The Most Valuable Podcast with Charlotte Wilder and Jess Smetana, Locked on Jazz with David Locke, and Real Sports from BlueWire’s Jack Settleman and Abe Granoff.

We hope you’ll find Jay’s reviews of these 5 programs to be informative, honest, and well explained. If you have further feedback you can find him on Twitter @TheRealPodVader or you can email by clicking here. Enjoy!

REAL_SPORTS WITH JACK AND ABE:

Title: NBA Draft Preview, Kyrie Irving Breaking News and the Mike Conley Trade

Date: June 20, 2019

Length: 46 minutes

Cast: Jack Settleman and Abe Granoff

Sponsors: none

Production: Produced Open, music bed at the end

Show Breakdown:

0:00 – Tease on what’s up

:21 – Open featuring a montage of sports highlights

:41 – Introducing your hosts

1:19 – Abe’s NBA draft profile from Jack (he was robbed of living the dream as a child) but Jack mentions he was as a slow 6 footer…player comp: Draymond Green or RJ Barrett…Time for Jack’s draft profile from Abe…player comp: Lonzo Ball or Jalen Brunson…

4:15 – Time to move on to thoughts on the NBA Draft…what hasn’t been said about Zion Williamson already?…Jack believe RJ Barrett is the best player in the draft…Ja Morant break down…

11:50 – Picking apart some other NBA Draft prospects: Cam Reddish (got a pick with him earlier in the day…Abe isn’t a numbers guy, he likes to make decisions on players from what he sees on the court); Brandon Clark (Jack’s favorite player, not the best, in this draft);

20:56 – Busts: Nassir Little (shot up the boards because of hype and his length but doesn’t have a college background); Jared Culver (his size and strength won’t help him in the NBA)

24:20 – Breaking down the point guards – there are other names besides Morant and Garland

28:30 – What will Boston do with their picks? They’re in the limbo area of knowing their true identity – push forward to win with their young core or tank for more young talent?…The East is going to get weaker and the Celtics need to get an established player…the guys are split on Danny Ainge…

31:57 – What they’re most excited about for the NBA Draft…wouldn’t it be fun if the Lakers/Pelicans trade didn’t go through?

34:50 – Brief bit of feedback

35:28 – Breaking news after the pod was recorded and this is being put in afterwards…The Nets are concerned with bringing in Kyrie Irving unless he can bring Durant with him…laughing at the “trolls” who sent Jack photoshopped Kyrie pics in a Nets uniform and Irving is heading to the Knicks…Abe tells him to stop…this lends more to Kyrie going back to the Celtics or back to LeBron…

38:23 – A little more feedback

38:40 – Breaking down the Mike Conley trade…the Jazz could make some noise in a down year in the West…Derrick Favors being swapped out for a superstar before the deadline???…

45:00 – hope you liked it…give us 5 stars…thanks for the listens…want to hear from you…RSPod on Instagram… this has been Real Underscore Sports

Show Analysis:

Before we start analyzing the show, a quick lesson on the Apple Podcast charts. First, they only measure activity on Apple Podcast products (iTunes, iPods, iPads, iPhones, etc). Second, the charts are some sort of algorithm measuring new subscription activity – not a real measurement of audience size. That’s why a show like Real Sports is in the top 20 shows, but doesn’t have an episode in the top 200 episodes.

The team at BlueWire has done something smart to drive engagement on Snapchat and Instagram, running a raffle contest to get people to write reviews and ratings for the podcast on Apple Podcasts. Rob Walch on Libsyn will tell you ratings do not matter when it comes to positioning on the Apple Podcasts charts, but it definitely looks good to see a podcast with 7 episodes and 4211 reviews (as of this writing). Most of those reviews are 5 star because as one of the 1 star ratings put it “He bribes people with giveaways on social media and makes them give 5 stars to be eligible.” 

So who is Jack Settleman? According to his LinkedIn profile, he’s a recent graduate of the University of Texas at Austin in 2018. He’s focused on social media marketing while at the school and is currently the Social Media Community Manager at The Action Network. He clearly knows how to work the social media marketing angle, but understanding how that game works is important to understanding the real chart position of this podcast. I couldn’t find much on Abe Granoff, but it’s clear from listening to the show, they are big fans of the NBA and college basketball.

Closing Comments:

A critical review of the show stated “These guys just basically read off scoresheets” and I’m inclined to agree. The scary secret to that comment though, is that’s exactly what most radio hosts are doing. The difference is, experienced radio hosts sound less stiff and more genuine with their takes. Jack and Abe can at times sound robotic in their delivery. The key to improving that will come from gaining more reps.

I thought this podcast was just like most other ones, lacking innovation. It was just two guys providing their takes on the news of the day. The next generation of sports talk hosts are going to come from podcasts, so I’m hopeful the younger generation of broadcasters will introduce new original ideas instead of following the pattern of what everyone else has been doing.

The disappointing part of the story is that these guys really know how to get their message out to the younger masses – as shown in their ability to generate 1 million followers on Snapchat. But if the younger generation thinks this is what great sounding podcasts should sound like though, I tremble for our future.

5 Podcasts in 5 Days: Locked on Jazz

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Editor’s note from Jason Barrett:

5 Podcasts in 5 Days‘ continues with special guest reviewer Jay Soderberg spending day four to analyze the Locked on Jazz podcast by Utah Jazz voice David Locke. For those unfamiliar with Jay, he is the former the Head of Content for BlogTalk Radio, and a digital audio producer, imaging director, and podcast creator for the ESPN Radio network. He’s candid, direct, and unapologetic with his feedback, and focused on trying to help content creators produce exceptional material, even if it means having to get under their skin in the process.

As podcasting continues to grow due to its limitless offerings of unique, creative, and original content, it still remains a space without structure and a clear understanding of what does and doesn’t work. Unlike radio which uses ratings measurement to justify the effectiveness of a particular show or host, the success or ineffectiveness of a podcast can often be disguised by how a program is ranked on the Apple podcasting charts.

Since this space has turned into the audio version of the wild west, we thought it’d be beneficial to bring back 5 Podcasts in 5 Days and find out which audio shows are checking the right boxes, and which ones could use some fine tuning. The five podcasts we charged Jay with listening to and critiquing were Mystery Crate by Dan Le Batard and Friends, The GM Shuffle with Adnan Virk and Michael Lombardi, The Most Valuable Podcast with Charlotte Wilder and Jess Smetana, Locked on Jazz with David Locke, and Real Sports from BluWire’s Jack Settleman and Abe Granoff.

We hope you’ll find Jay’s reviews of these 5 programs to be informative, honest, and well explained. If you have further feedback you can find him on Twitter @TheRealPodVader or you can email by clicking here. Enjoy!

LOCKED ON JAZZ

Title: Kevin Pelton stops by to discuss the Lakers and the NBA Draft by the Numbers

Date: June 19, 2019

Length: 38 minutes

Cast: David Locke, guest: Kevin Pelton

Sponsors: Lenovo, Homie (local? BYU creators), The Store (local), Hotels.com, Shamrock Auto Group (local)

Production: minimal

Show Breakdown:

0:00 – Produced open for 10secs, 30sec pre-produced ad for Lenovo, David Locke teases what’s up on the show and then says he’s going on vacation for a bit

2:17 – Kevin Pelton interview begins…starting with 2 questions about the Anthony Davis trade…the two local Locked On hosts loved the deal but the national guys have been slamming it

8:55 – Reset – that was Kevin Pelton’s trade analysis, now getting into his Draft projections…he’s been really good at finding the 25-35 range, that’s the strength of his scenarios…highlighting some examples of guys that Pelton has projected guys in that range…how good has he been at projecting busts?

13:43 – Reset, again with a tease of what’s coming up…but today’s show is brought to you by Homie (host read ad) also brought to you by The Store at 60 and 200 South and 20th East

16:43 – Kevin, who’s top 10 in his numbers and who’s top 10 generally accepted?

23:47 – Distracted by computer noises…teasing what’s coming up but I can’t stand this throw to commercial “…that and more when we’re back on the Locked On Podcast Network.”

24:15 – Hotels.com (pre-produced), Shamrock Auto Group (host read), Locked On NBA Net on Draft night

26:50 – Why is there not a big difference between 19 and 22 year olds?

29:29 – Who’s Fred Van Fleet or Monte Morris this year? Not sure there’s anyone Kevin feels that strongly about this year but here are some guys Kevin likes more than others.

34:54 – Guys who will go in top 20 that Kevin’s numbers just don’t see it.

36:31 – Go follow Kevin @kpelton…going on vacation

37:00 – Promo for Locked on Cougars, reminder that your smart speaker can play your podcasts (but it’s cut off before Dave finishes the explanation)

Show Analysis:

When I was first introduced to podcasting at ESPN 15 years ago, I remember thinking the brilliance of it was that you no longer needed to have your peanut butter mixed with your chocolate. Meaning – I can have my football without having to listen to the baseball or the basketball or the hockey. David Locke has taken that one step further with his Locked On network, making podcasts for individual teams, mainly in the NBA and NFL. David is the voice of the Utah Jazz and has a professional radio background and it’s apparent listening to his show.

David has multiple resets with his guest (which for a podcast listener can become a little annoying), teasing upcoming content before commercial breaks and then extremely professional reads on those ad deliveries. David has worked on this network for quite some time and the mix between the pre-produced ads from Megaphone and the local ads (which I’m assuming David has acquired on his own) gives the podcast a strong local feel (literally naming the streets to find The Store).

While this does sound like a re-purposed local radio show, it’s hard to complain about that lack of innovation because the focus is on one local team. That said, David did have a national guest on to talk about the NBA Draft and never asked a specific question regarding the Utah Jazz. To be fair, David’s interview did center mostly on later round options in the draft (the Jazz had the 23rd pick and a couple of second round choices). And to really hit the minutiae, he never tells us Kevin Pelton is from ESPN.

There are a lot of assumptions being made and for a regular listener, that’s probably great. For a brand new listener though, they might feel lost. Every new piece of content is an opportunity for a new listener.

Speaking of formatics, I HATE hearing these phrases around commercial breaks on the radio and especially on a podcast – “we’ll be right back” “and we’re back” “we’re going to take a break” “the break is all done”. You and especially the podcast listener never left! A majority of podcast listeners don’t even hit the fast forward button available to them to skip the ads so why give them a warning flag that a commercial is coming up?

I’m a big proponent of the tease before a commercial break. Give the audience that cliff hanger. They can’t wait to hear Kevin’s deep draft gems. Just leave it at that. “In a moment, Kevin’s going to tell us his deep draft gems” – lay out. Commercials. “Kevin, what do your numbers say about the potential Superstars around pick number 23?”

Closing Comments:

As a frequent podcast listener, the difficulties David faces with a network like this is finding clones of himself. While David is a professional broadcaster, there are others in his network that could use some polishing. Having worked on the business side of the podcast industry, I know how difficult it can be to find a sales team that will focus on local businesses to feature in a local podcast. Many podcasters carry that load upon themselves while most podcast sales agents (like Megaphone or Midroll) will focus on a national type sponsor. For a podcaster with no previous media experience, you can see how difficult a task that would be to undertake.

That’s an advantage the Locked On Network has with David at the helm. He’s on to something good, delivering the type of niche content sports fans are looking for. The podcast is also offered daily during the NBA season, giving fans the chance to enjoy the content they want on their own schedule. If local stations aren’t careful, he’ll steal their audience and then their sponsors.

A Twitter Strategy From The Play-By-Play Booth

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In this day and age, social media can be a useful tool, but if not used correctly it can end up being your worst nightmare. All of the popular sites are great resources to self-promote, give out valuable information or gather the same. Don’t approach social media, well don’t approach social media without an approach. I use most of the platforms, but the one I use most is Twitter, so I’ll gear this column towards that. 

My basic need while the game is going on is information sharing. Now, I don’t just repeat or retweet things I may see on Twitter unless I know the source. I make sure I follow credible sources for each Major League Baseball team: beat writers, beat reporters, radio announcers, television announcers and the teams’ various PR Twitter handles. 

For example, on the night of July 12th, I was doing a game in Oakland with the White Sox, there was something special going on a few hundred miles down the coast. The Angels were combining to throw a no-hitter in their first game at home since the tragic death of pitcher Tyler Skaggs. I was following along through the Angels account and several of their beat writers. It was an easy way for my listeners to know what was going on in Anaheim without me being distracted and looking all over the place for information. It was a special thing that I wanted my audience to be aware of. I use Twitter for just this reason, to provide up to date information on things of note that are going on around the league. 

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I make sure to return the favor when it applies. During a day game in Chicago on April 17th, the White Sox and Royals had the benches clear after Tim Anderson was hit by a pitch following a home run in which he ‘flipped’ his bat. A large gathering of players and coaches milled around the field while the umpiring crew tried to figure out who stayed in the game and who was to be ejected.

I tweeted the information so my fellow broadcasters and my audience that couldn’t be listening to the game would know what had happened. I also tweeted out a picture of the aftermath of the incident to supplement our coverage.  I did offer a few opinions about the decisions on ejections as well, because we were talking about it on the air after order had been restored. That’s just an example of the information during a game that I will tweet out. 

Before a game, I get to play reporter. Providing news from the pregame manager scrum, things I learned in the clubhouse that day and giving out information on official team releases as well. Plus, I get to tie in a promotion for my pregame show and guests and the game broadcast time and radio station. Free advertising for yourself and the flagship station is never frowned upon. I will from time to time use a photo of the field or something else going on at the park before the game to enhance the tweet. I especially include a picture when the weather is either beautiful or awful!  I think fans really appreciate those times you take them behind the curtain, showing them the inner workings of the broadcast and of the field before a game. 

Another thing to get in the habit of doing is ‘retweeting’ others. A lot of the time there is a guy in Chicago that is a master of the “nugget” during games. He’ll Tweet out excellent information that can’t easily be gathered. I admire his effort and will retweet him often with a comment. I feel like his information is accurate and credible, so give him credit. It also shows that you are willing to share someone else’s information for benefit of your audience. Promote others and they are likely to promote you when you have information that they don’t have. 

That’s the good of social media, but believe me there is a not so good side too. You will be told sometimes how bad you are, how many mistakes you’ve made and try to bate you into a retort. Best bet is to ignore it and move on. I’m sure your first thought is to fire back, but what good will it do you to engage a fan online? Live by this motto: THINK BEFORE YOU TWEET. If you remember nothing else, remember those 4 words, they could save you a lot of unnecessary headaches. 

Think about who is going to see the response, your friends, colleagues and more than likely your bosses. Is it worth it? Probably not. Is your job worth it? Again, likely the answer is no. A good portion of these active tweeters just do it to get a rise out of you. Don’t engage. Sometimes to get my anger out, I’ll open up a word document and type out a response just to get it off my chest and then delete. There are other occasions where it’s necessary to respond. Every once in a while, I’ll respond with a “thanks for listening, we appreciate it.”. More often than not, the listener will respond by ‘back peddling’ because they never thought you’d either see it or for sure respond. 

I’ll wrap this up by giving you a list of things that you should be thinking about doing and not doing on your social media posts. 

DO:

  1. Update your profile on the platforms regularly to make sure they’re current.
  2. Be consistent, during the baseball season, I’m all about baseball, people expect it.
  3. Interact with your audience, but again don’t respond to all the negativity. If you are asked a question, try to answer it to the best of your ability. 
  4. Just like during a broadcast, inform and entertain the audience. 
  5. Try new things, like polls, photos and GIFS.
  6. Be on your best behavior, be couteous on Social Media. Be conscience of who you are tagging in posts.
  7. Be careful on posting political opinions, you will likely alienate half your audience. Not saying you can’t, but be ready for the backlash.  
  8. Use your account for good

DON’T:

  1. Use improper grammar or spelling, makes you a less credible follow. Typos happen, so proof before tweeting. 
  2. Overshare things. If you have a podcast, or a blog post, don’t share it 25 times during the day. Maybe once in the morning, once in the afternoon and once at night. 
  3. Along those lines, don’t be a needy Tweeter. Oversharing, begging for followers or retweets is not a good habit to get into. 
  4. Retweet “fake accounts”. I’ve been burned a few times especially during baseball trade season with the copycat Ken Rosenthal account. Block them. 
  5. Provide fake information yourself either
  6. Come across as someone that knows everything and can’t be challenged on things
  7. Spend all your time on social media platforms, there’s a great big world out there

You Have To Be A Thief In This Business

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I’m a thief.  And if you’re any kind of salesperson, you probably are, too.  I say this because all of us should have, at least one time or another, stolen a good idea from another station, another market, another industry or somewhere.  

It happens every day in our business and most every other business out there.  Someone comes up with a new way of doing something, the proof of concept shows the idea is a good one (in our case, it makes lots of money!) and slowly but surely everybody else steals the idea.

One way I do this I’ve talked about several times in this space, as I often train new sellers using Dave Gifford’s system combined other bits of wisdom I’ve taken/stolen/borrowed/adopted from others in media, sales, events and just business in general.  I’m a sucker for a good quote or a one-liner that puts things into its simplest form, such as Giff’s line: “What you say, times how many times you say it, is the only thing that works in advertising.”

Any good manager, trainer, co-worker or industry expert I’ve come in contact with over the last twenty-five years, I’ve generally taken something from.  Some of it has changed over the years, but not as much as you might think.  My first piece of advice after becoming a manager in 2002 (“Don’t let the minutiae of this job bog you down or you’ll never get to the important stuff”) is something I’ve said to every manager I’ve hired and every first-time manager I’ve come across since.

Copy ideas are another area I tend to take/steal/borrow/adopt, and why wouldn’t we?  A good idea for a piece of copy in Oshkosh, Wisconsin is usually a good idea for a piece of copy in Ding Dong, Texas.  You may change the dialect or a line, but if the overall concept was good and it makes sense for your client’s product or service, use it.  I’m on RAB.com all the time looking at different pieces of copy, which are sorted by industry, and trying to find ideas to use for current clients.

Promotions and events are the same way.  When an event is done that is successful, there will most likely be some hype on social media showing the happy consumers.  If it went well for a sports station somewhere, then there’s a good chance it might be good for you or your client.  You don’t always have to reinvent the wheel, sometimes the best idea for your client is something someone else is doing.

On the client side, I always tell them they should be stealing, too.  They should be looking at what big, national companies do in advertising.  These companies spend millions with the top ad agencies in the world and some of the recommendations they make are quite clear.  

They obviously suggest that companies advertise with frequency and consistency.  Almost all of them have some sort of jingle or catchphrase they use that is memorable.  And, many of them are using a mix of media to get their message across to their target audience.  

So should local businesses.  Obviously, many won’t be able to do it at an extreme level, but with the budget they have, they can at least follow the same formula the larger companies pay all that money to learn about.

Normally, you’d never want to be known as a thief.  In our business, however, sometimes the person who is looking in other markets, on other websites, on social media or anywhere else you can find what is being done well outside of your area, is the one who is getting ahead.  So, get out there and steal away!

5 Podcasts in 5 Days: Most Valuable Podcast

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Editor’s note from Jason Barrett:

The third day of ‘5 Podcasts in 5 Days‘ with special guest reviewer Jay Soderberg has arrived. Jay is the former the Head of Content for BlogTalk Radio, and a digital audio producer, imaging director, and podcast creator for the ESPN Radio network. He’s candid, direct, and unapologetic with his feedback, and focused on trying to help content creators produce exceptional material, even if it means having to get under their skin in the process.

As podcasting has continued to grow due to its limitless offerings of unique, creative, and original content, it still remains a space without structure and a clear understanding of what does and doesn’t work. Unlike radio which uses ratings measurement to justify the effectiveness of a particular show or host, the success or ineffectiveness of a podcast can often be disguised by how a program is ranked on the Apple podcasting charts.

Since this space has turned into the audio version of the wild west, we thought it’d be beneficial to bring back 5 Podcasts in 5 Days and find out which audio shows are checking the right boxes, and which ones could use some fine tuning. The five podcasts we charged Jay with listening to and critiquing were Mystery Crate by Dan Le Batard and Friends, The GM Shuffle with Adnan Virk and Michael Lombardi, The Most Valuable Podcast with Charlotte Wilder and Jess Smetana, Locked on Jazz with David Locke, and Real Sports from BluWire’s Jack Settleman and Abe Granoff.

We hope you’ll find Jay’s reviews of these 5 programs to be informative, honest, and well explained. If you have further feedback you can find him on Twitter @TheRealPodVader or you can email by clicking here. Enjoy!

Title: It’s the perfect time for Anthony Davis to shave his unibrow and rebrand

Date: June 20, 2019

Length: 1 hour, 6 minutes

Cast: Christine Wilder and Jess Smetana, Brandon (the Producer)

Sponsors: none

Production: a music bed to start and end the show

Show Breakdown:

0:00 – Revisiting a trip to Boston for the NHL Finals…more in a bit, but first, the NBA Finals which feel like they finished a long time ago and now free agency is top in the news cycle…Woj Bomb in the middle of Finals that Kawhi won’t resign with the Raptors and he hasn’t even accepted the trophy yet…torn ACL’s are the worst…Did you understand what was happening at the end of that Game with the technical foul?…revisiting last week’s conversation on all sports fans are a**holes, according to tweet, Canadians find Toronto is the a**hole of Canada…

8:25 – Don’t like the uniforms that say “North” – not even the most northern NBA city…Taking pride in local teams like the Portland (Maine) Red Claws…

12:27 – Should we do more NBA free agency stuff since we just talked about the NBA??? Anthony Davis got traded…Jess wouldn’t be a great GM because she likes to be frugal…Would you want to play with LeBron? No, because he’ll make you play in Space Jam 2 and it won’t be as great as the first one…Davis now has the perfect opportunity to look the best he’s ever looked and shave the unibrow…

17:34 – An idea for an app – Kyrie Irving and James Harden ghosting their teams…ghosting is so easy in any relationship, but you really should just say something so that the other person doesn’t hang on…the app will get all the relevant info on the relationship and send the let down information for you…Kyrie could use this with Danny Ainge…

22:00 – Sorry to Charlotte who watched a sucky blowout in Game 7 of the NHL Finals (pretty clear Charlotte is a Bruins fan)…

23:50 – Brandon the Producer jumps in as he doesn’t like mosquitos and Jess just got bit by one…back to the NHL…What would you eat if you just lost the NHL Finals?…Anheuser Busch headquartered in St. Louis?

27:45 – Gary Woodland wins the US Open…didn’t realize it ends on Father’s Day every year…don’t assume because Charlotte is a woman she doesn’t know what she’s talking about with sports…they spoke this outcome into existence in a previous show…shout out to Gary…also, who still names their kids Gary?…he’s also never drank a warm beverage, does soup count?…

32:07 – Let’s talk about the World Cup…our girl Julie Ertz scored a goal vs Chile…the bad tweet from someplace, CBS?, that Zach Ertz left training camp to watch his wife in the world cup – hello, she has a name…we’re beyond this now and Julie Ertz has way more Instagram followers than Zach (but he has more Twitter followers), but Instagram is the way more used platform (well, we’ll discuss that in a moment…)…can everyone just follow us on Instagram?…

37:26 – Do we have any personal news because all it says on the little Google Doc is personal news and nothing below it…

39:27 – We have to cancel something…LaVar Ball…people forgot that he’s been canceled already and he’s still saying stupid things…need to cancel OJ Simpson again because now he’s on Twitter…

44:18 – Some Agro Facts this week…well, basically we’ve found really good brands of dried seaweed

47:29 – Underrated… this week it’s sour cream, the unsung hero of Taco Tuesday

49:53 – Future Wedding to each other…this came up from a viral tweet about going to a wedding with me and still liking me after…

51:32 – The Patriot of the Week…viral video of guy at a baseball game who caught foul ball and chugged a beer

55:36 – Shout out to Summer of #20WineTeen…how do you spell that out?

59:30 – Unofficial Official Mike Trout Fan Club…thanks to everyone pointing out what we should be paying attention to…he’s been really good at the baseball and his W-A-R has been really good…he pet a dog named Moo Moo…

1:02:12 – What is that noise (that the audience can’t hear)? The phone in the podcast room is ringing…

1:03:00 – Mike Trout had a really good transportation tweet…

1:03:58 – Time to go (because they said so and there’s the music bed)…give us high ratings and boost our Instagram

Show Analysis:

When creating a podcast it’s important to know who your target audience is. This podcast is clearly targeted towards millennial sports fans, is internet driven (lots of social media talk), and uses swear words. There isn’t a problem with that at all, but even millennial’s like to hear some cool sounding production elements.

In listening to the show, it’s clear that Jess and Charlotte do some form of prep for their show – because you can hear their transitions from topic to topic. They also mention the “Google Doc” in this episode.

So why don’t they have production elements for their regular segments? If the producer doesn’t have time to create them, why not ask the audience for some help? It’s a great way to forge an everlasting bond with your audience and frankly, sometimes you get some really great work for free.

One thing I struggle with when listening to podcasts that tend to be more on the jovial side is when they tackle subjects that are more serious. In this episode for instance, sexism in sports. I agree that Julie Ertz and any woman playing professional sports should be given the respect of being called by their name, but it’s hard to take Jess and Charlotte seriously when they’re talking about wanting to marry the guy who catches the foul ball and chugs his beer or oogling over Mike Trout petting a puppy. It’s just a little awkward.

Also, I’m assuming there were inside jokes or previous jokes when talking about Mike Trout “being good at the baseball” and his “W-A-R was really good”, but a first time listener may hear that and stereotype it as “another female sports show”. It’s a delicate line to balance and begging for more Instagram followers doesn’t help.

Closing Comments:

While this is definitely not “old guy, stuffy sports program”, there’s still a lack of innovation for a sports podcast. It sounds similar to most other sports radio products with the exception being the show features two women and they’re talking to a younger audience. The sourcing of social media is clever to help drive engagement from an audience that is using the internet to listen to the show, but adding some production would really help this show sing.

I do think there is great potential here with a few tweaks that could help drive how sports radio evolves for future generations. There needs to be a little more effort than just sitting down in a studio for an hour with microphones recording a conversation. It’s a good start, but it can be taken to the next level with a few adjustments.

5 Podcasts in 5 Days: The GM Shuffle

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Editor’s note from Jason Barrett:

We’re up to Day #2 of our special ‘5 Podcasts in 5 Days‘ series. Doing the honors as our special guest reviewer for this project is Jay Soderberg, formerly the Head of Content for BlogTalk Radio, and a digital audio producer, imaging director, and podcast creator for the ESPN Radio network. Jay is not one to sugarcoat what he thinks. He’s candid, direct, and unapologetic with his feedback, and focused on trying to help content creators produce exceptional material, even if it means having to get under their skin in the process.

As podcasting has continued to grow due to its limitless offerings of unique, creative, and original content, it still remains a space without structure and a clear understanding of what does and doesn’t work. Unlike radio which uses ratings measurement to justify the effectiveness of a particular show or host, the success or ineffectiveness of a podcast can often be disguised by how a program is ranked on the Apple podcasting charts.

Since this space has turned into the audio version of the wild west, we thought it’d be beneficial to bring back 5 Podcasts in 5 Days and find out which audio shows are checking the right boxes, and which ones could use some fine tuning. The five podcasts we charged Jay with listening to and critiquing were Mystery Crate by Dan Le Batard and Friends, The GM Shuffle with Adnan Virk and Michael Lombardi, The Most Valuable Podcast with Charlotte Wilder and Jess Smetana, Locked on Jazz with David Locke, and Real Sports from BluWire’s Jack Settleman and Abe Granoff.

We hope you’ll find Jay’s reviews of these 5 programs to be informative, honest, and well explained. If you have further feedback you can find him on Twitter @TheRealPodVader or you can email by clicking here. Enjoy!

THE GM SHUFFLE

Title: The Anthony Davis Trade Would Never Happen in the NFL

Date: June 25, 2019

Length: 31 minutes

Cast: Mike Lombardi and Adnan Virk

Sponsors: none

Production: none…well, a music bed to open and close the podcast

Show Breakdown:

0:00 – Raiders on Hard Knocks tease but first, “Weed the North” as the Raptors celebrate their NBA Championship

2:18 – Raiders are on Hard Knocks and it’s going to be AWESOME!

7:53 – John Fox throwing shade at his former team, the Bears. Mike wouldn’t go as far as Fox went, but he doesn’t believe in Mitch Trubisky as much as others. Plus, they have a much more difficult schedule ahead. 

10:05 – The Patriots accuse the Texans of tampering in regards to Nick Cesario. Mike shares his insider view on how the Patriots front office works. Plus why Jack Easterby can’t work as a more senior front office guy from his previous role with the Patriots as a reverend.

15:45 – Todd Gurley has arthritic knees.

16:59 – Comparing the Anthony Davis trade to the Herschel Walker trade.

22:00 – Over/Under series and now doing the NFC North with 3 teams set at 9 wins and the Lions taking up the rear. Mike loves the Vikings.

25:18 – Teams that you’d like to see end the drought: Bills, Vikings, Browns, Lions. Mike would most like to see the Browns win it. Plus, the town will sink Lake Erie.

27:45 – Where are we going to see Mike next? How about Adnan’s Cinephile podcast? Let’s get Mike on to talk Sopranos.

:46 seconds left – music bed underneath signals the end is coming, 17 secs left “We’ll talk next week.”

Show Analysis:

It’s clear that Mike and Adnan have great chemistry and play off each other brilliantly. Adnan is a professional with great transitions between news items, but this sounds like any other extended radio guest spot or sports podcast except it offers the addition of swear words. The main difference between this show and other NFL themed podcasts is Lombardi’s extensive background in NFL front offices, which is something phenomenal to tap into.

Using his experience to compare the biggest news of the day – the Anthony Davis trade – and comparing it to the NFL – the main sport being covered on this podcast – is brilliant, but it seems wasted as we have to sit through some other less exciting news items before reaching that point. The beauty of a podcast is that it’s recorded and you can easily cut and paste segments to place them wherever you want. The segment was definitely a highlight, the team even decided to title the episode after it.

Since this show is only once a week, there’s plenty of time to plan out a great show rundown. It appears from listening to this particular episode that there are some recurring segments. Making some production elements to highlight those segments would certainly add to the show.

Also, spending just a little over 3 minutes on the entire NFC North to preview their over/under win totals isn’t going to be enough to compete with other podcasts that provide an entire hour’s worth of content on each of those 4 teams. That’s a wasted opportunity. The show would be better served extending that discussion and tapping into Lombardi’s experience to highlight how those 4 teams attacked their off-season’s and explain how it positions them for the 2019 season.

Closing Comments:

It’s an easy enough listen and only 31 minutes long. Going back to that nugget from Edison Research which states that the average podcast listener listens to 7 podcasts a week, this sports podcast isn’t going to unseat any of those 7 unless the listener is a big fan of Mike Lombardi or Adnan Virk. In their defense, they do have a lot of fans.

Every new episode is an opportunity to create more new fans but too many sports podcasts fall back on the same radio pattern much too easily these days. That prevents them from doing something different and exciting.

I would love to hear some production added to hype up recurring segments and perhaps some more segments that utilize Lombardi’s front office experiences to analyze the moves made by a few teams. How about a segment where Adnan and Lombardi think of how Tony Soprano would react to some of those other not so exciting news stories? Now, you’ve blended the pop culture with the sports news and blending the two loves instead of segmenting them separately in the podcast. Also, don’t play me out like Tony and fade to black at the end. I’m likely going to hear that music bed at the end and just skip to the next podcast waiting.

The key is to always give the audience a reason to continue listening, even if it’s the end of the podcast. How about some previous episodes they might have missed that are worth checking out? Or previewing what’s coming up next week? Can we see any potential news on the horizon? What team will be featured next in the over/under series?

There is great potential here with this podcast. Adnan, Mike and their team will need to invest more time and effort though in the presentation if they want to maximize their opportunity.

5 Podcasts in 5 Days: Mystery Crate

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Editor’s note from Jason Barrett:

The podcasting space is one many of us love to invest our time in. It’s a space where creativity and original ideas are encouraged, the listener has control, and personalities are given opportunities to try things that they may otherwise avoid on their daily programs.

But as liberating as the space can be, measuring a podcast’s effectiveness and importance remains a challenge. Programmers have enough to do with managing their station’s over the air content, analyzing ratings, and trying to assist sellers on monetizing radio content. Most radio companies don’t employ a Director of Podcasting who’s sole focus is to create, measure, and help monetize the brand’s digital audio content.

Because the podcasting space has turned into the wild west, we thought it’d be beneficial to bring back our 5 Podcasts in 5 Days project, and call upon someone to tackle the assignment who truly understands the space.

Jay Soderberg and I worked together at the ESPN Radio network in the mid 2000’s, and over the past 15 years he’s played an important role in helping ESPN and BlogTalk Radio develop, grow, and expand their footprint in the podcasting space. Nicknamed ‘Pod Vader’, Jay is not one to sugarcoat what he thinks. He’s candid, direct, and unapologetic. His focus is on helping creators produce exceptional content, and if it means having to get under their skin in the process, so be it.

The five podcasts we charged Jay with listening to and critiquing were Mystery Crate by Dan Le Batard and Friends, The GM Shuffle with Adnan Virk and Michael Lombardi, The Most Valuable Podcast with Charlotte Wilder and Jess Smetana, Locked on Jazz with David Locke, and Real Sports from BluWire’s Jack Settleman and Abe Granoff. I think you’ll find his reviews to be honest and well explained. If you have further feedback you can find him on Twitter @TheRealPodVader or by email by clicking here. Enjoy!

MYSTERY CRATE BY LE BATARD & FRIENDS

Title: Episode 8 Date: June 21, 2019

Length: 44 minutes

Cast: various members of LeBatard & Friends

Sponsors: ZipRecruiter, Tissot watches

Production: Perfect use of a quick music bump in and out of segments

Show Breakdown:

0:00 – The only show that’s a complete mystery – for sure, because I don’t know who these people are. There’s funny “scary” laugh and there’s the first voice. The hosts never introduce themselves.

1:16 – ZipRecruiter ad that devolves into a breakdown of the scary laugh.

2:58 – We learn we’re getting some “Dan”. Contributions will come from everyone except for Allison (Turner and we learn the host is Mike Ryan in a throw away line introducing Allison). Allison does contribute though when she’s asked to talk about the Hills and other reality TV shows from the background while eventually making it to a live mic.

13:48 – Throwing to Dan speaking to Danny Goldberg who wrote “Serving the Servant: Remembering Kurt Cobain”

14:46 – Danny Goldberg interview from ESPN Radio

33:58 – Interview brought to you by ZipRecruiter

34:04 – Setting up Chris’ segment of “Ya Nevah Know” with Chris’ dad and intro music from JuJu Gotti who is the best thing on Instagram right now.

35:33 – Brought to you by Tissot Watches

36:20 – Ya Nevah Know segment – Chris’ dad is a weird cat, how? He gets into it.

40:10 – Oh by the way, Chris’ dad’s name is Greg. Their last name is Cody. Slowly learning who’s who.

41:20 – Download everything – even if you don’t listen – so they can do more Mystery Crate’s…they understand it’s a great investment of your time and patience because you don’t know what you’re getting.

42:20 – In case you didn’t realize, this was brought to you by ZipRecruiter – you’ve heard it before but this is your reward for listening all the way here

43:15 – Mystery Crate doesn’t like to tease much, but next week we’re getting Stugotz.

Show Analysis:

This is something I’ve been preaching about using repurposed audio from Live Radio shows for years. Have the production staff create original content that surrounds the audio from the radio show. In this way, people who already heard the radio content have a reason to download the podcast and listen again, and for people that never listen to the live radio show, either have time shifted their listening or have become encouraged to go listen to the radio show.

For the broadcaster, they’re developing future on-air talent that will have a built in audience from the radio show making that difficult time of introducing a new on-air talent a lot easier to jump start. However, without proper introductions to the podcast talent and without proper show notes to tell the listener what it is they’re about to listen to, there’s no impetus for new listeners to get into the show.

While it’s fantastic to see something different being tried, unless the listener is a diehard LeBatard & Friends fan, they have no idea what they’re in store for. Edison Research says that the active podcast listener listens to an average of 7 podcasts a week. With nothing to go by from the show description, there’s no reason for a person to eject one of those 7 podcasts to make room for a new one.

To that point, it took almost 14 minutes to find out we were about to hear an interview conducted by “Dan” with Danny Goldberg who wrote a book about Nirvana’s Kurt Cobain. Previous to that, we heard discussion about reality TV shows, specifically the reboot of MTV’s The Hills.

I honestly don’t remember if Dan LeBatard was ever mentioned by full name – I can certainly assume that “Dan” is the “Le Batard” in “Le Batard & Friends” which is branded on the podcast, but again, unless someone is a diehard Le Batard & Friends fan, why would a new listener take a chance on show they have no idea about? A brand new listener will probably think this is a sports podcast, but the only mention of sports came with the ad for the watch.

Speaking of which, be careful with those pronunciations as it took a Google search to understand what brand watch was being advertised. To be clear, it’s Tissot, the official watch of the NBA. Also, the show is brought to you by ZipRecruiter, and it was odd to hear the same advertiser 3 or 4 times in one show.

Closing Comments:

I love the attempt at innovation here. It’s something that sports podcasts are quite lacking these days. When every sports podcast is a couple of guys or girls just sharing their opinions about the latest events, it can get monotonous. But understand that every new episode is an opportunity for a new listener – one from outside the radio listening family or even outside the podcast network family – and there’s never any reason given for a new listener to get attached to this particular show.

I don’t mind listening to pop culture talk from sports hosts either – but I’d like to know that’s what I’m getting in advance, so I can make that choice. Perhaps doing something different with the show notes so that a person has to scroll down through the notes to find out what’s inside is a better choice on the mystery theme. The only choice you have now is “you listen or you don’t.” I think more people would enjoy this podcast if there was less mystery in the crate.

Do You Know The Talent You’re Selling?

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Usually, when I talk about sales mixing with programming, it’s directed towards the on-air talent.  I am often encouraging them to understand our business better and know that everything, in the end, comes down to how much revenue you or your show drives for the company you work for.  This week, I want to talk about sales mixing with programming, but I want to talk about it from the other direction.

Let me let you in on a secret, first.  On-air talent are generally thinking about one of 4 things: their next show, their next meal, their next check or themselves.  Most air talent (and I said most, not all) do not care about your client’s needs and wants nor do they think about ideas that could help you make more money – WITHOUT BEING PROMPTED.

So, prompt them.  Do you know your air talent?  Do you know if they are married or if they have kids?  What part of town do they live in? Do they frequent any local businesses? Where do they shop?  Where do they get their hair cut?  Do they want or need anything from a business that might make sense to advertise on our sports station?

If you don’t know these answers about everyone you sell, stop right now.  Send them an email that says you want to take them out to breakfast, lunch, for coffee, for a cocktail, whatever.   Spend some time with them somehow, someway, before the end of this week.  Initiate the conversation and get to know the people you sell.  

When a rep starts, within the first week or two I’ll have them sit in the studio, with the hosts, for a couple hours per show.  This way, they’ll have all met, the new seller will hear each show completely uninterrupted and during the breaks, hopefully they get to know just a little bit about one another.

The talent that get it, like to be engaged and they like to be part of the planning process versus being told they’re to be involved in something without having given any input. This gets back to my earlier point that it’s generally the sales team that will need to engage with talent to pull the ideas and leads out of them.  I’m not saying this is how it should be, I’m just telling the truth, they are willing to help, if you are willing to come to them.

Then, once you have them engaged, and they believe that you’re out promoting them as a brand for endorsements and selling the ideas they come up with, they could end up becoming your best lead source.  It is simply human nature for the talent to want to work with those that are working with them, those they trust, those they’ve seen take care of other clients they might know personally.  

So be that guy or that gal, the one who is working with the top talent in the building and getting them all the endorsements that sky-rocket their incomes.  Ask them questions, ask them what they are working on or what is coming up that you may be able to get out in front of.  I can assure you, if you are the rep who is known as taking care of talent, you are the rep who is getting leads when they come from talent.  And we know those leads are the Glengarry leads.

NBA Free Agency Provides 4 Valuable Lessons For Brands

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Those who know me well are familiar with my lifelong frustration of being a New York Knicks fan. Each year the hype train comes to town promising big things for the future, only to deliver disappointment when fans ask for the payoff. Those wearing New York Knicks underoos will make excuses and continue holding on to hope, but those with a strong understanding of the franchise’s failures know how this story ends.

In the the span of one off-season, the Pelicans lost Anthony Davis and Julius Randle yet feel much closer to being a playoff team. The Boston Celtics, Philadelphia 76ers, and Indiana Pacers all lost key players yet made moves to stay in contention atop the Eastern Conference. The Brooklyn Nets, Los Angeles Lakers, and Golden State Warriors all were aggressive making moves to try and chase future championships. The Knicks meanwhile sell their fans on a rebuilding project once again.

But this column isn’t about my deflated enthusiasm towards the Knicks’ organization. It’s about four key lessons for sports media brands which just happen to connect to things we’ve learned in the past few days involving NBA free agency.

#1 – Substance Over Hype – How many times do you turn on a radio station and hear them touting their ‘best coverage’ yet it leaves little to be desired? How can you actually prove your brand has the best coverage anyway? If you have big guests and your competitor has the actual games, do you really have the best coverage? If the roles are reversed there’s an argument there too.

Maybe your radio station is promising a big announcement later in the day and is trying to get the audience excited about. What makes the payoff significant to the audience and not just those working inside the radio station? As someone who’s used announcements to drive quarter hour listening in the past, there’s a big difference between adding a game changer to the product and a solid weekly guest who people won’t go out of their way to listen to.

While it’s important to highlight our brand’s coverage and promote good content from people the audience is aware of, it’s not a smart decision to make it sound bigger than it actually is. You can actually piss off the audience and lose their trust if they feel underwhelmed.

#2 – Know When To Stay Silent – If you say you’re going to do something, do it. Don’t brag about what you’re going to do and then issue excuses when you come up short. A perfect example of this is the Knicks’ response to not signing Kyrie or Durant.

The brands that perform best are the ones that do their work in the background and then speak when there’s something to discuss. It’s one thing to build interest in your talent, content, promotions, etc. but the more you talk, the more likely you are to have to explain something later, and the media loves to bury those who portray themselves and their brands in a cocky way.

This also applies to how you manage your talent. If you’re the type of executive who thinks he’s going to ‘coach up’ every single personality, including your brand’s all-stars, be prepared for them to vacate when other options are on the table. Micromanaging is a recipe for disaster. You have to learn who you can trust to deliver results, give them the tools they need to succeed, and then get out of the way. If you can’t, word will spread on your inability to manage big stars, and that will keep other big stars away.

#3 – It’s All About The Talent – This is the most important of all. Whether it’s the NBA, the NFL or Sports Radio or Television, you win and lose with talent. Without difference makers on the court, field or airwaves, you won’t excel. It’s that simple. There are many routes to go to introduce prospects but without proven performers you won’t maximize your business.

Whether you like it or not, we operate in a win-now world. Advertisers want immediate results. So too does your company. The members in your building expect the same. Depending on where your brand is in its development, sometimes you’ll receive a longer leash, but most groups are not going to give you 3-5 years to create a masterpiece.

Though the programmer or market manager may understand this, companies need to recognize it too. People are attracted to people who they consider larger than life. A brand must have big personalities who attract love, hate, and everything in between. It’s not as much about the content as it is who’s selling it. If you put players on the air who people care enough to seek out, you’ll have a ratings and revenue story to sell.

#4 – Have a Plan But Know When To Change It – What you decide today might make sense for tomorrow, but if tomorrow presents an unexpected opportunity that requires skipping a step, then you’ve got to be ready to adjust. The goal is to win. Those who do it often have their eye on the now and the future. The goal should remain the same, but smart leaders understand that it doesn’t pay to be unwilling to change. Don’t worry about whether or not your plan had to be scrapped to win. The winning itself will be what people remember about your leadership.

This also can be tied to the success of a daily talk show. For example, are you married to your rundown or changing on the fly when things don’t hit the mark? Are you booking guests and keeping them on for the entire segment because it said :02-:13 on your sheet, or are you cutting it short or extending it based on the flow of the conversation and importance of content? Is your show relying on the same drops, music beds, seasonal guests, topics, and reference points or actively looking for ways to freshen the presentation?

Mike Tyson once said ‘everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth.’ The same holds true on a sports media program. Whether it’s due to breaking news, people lacking interest, hosts not selling content in a powerful and unique way, or something else happening organically that provides a better content experience, the best results come from good planning and better adjusting.