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Why Personalities Like Ronda Rousey Interest Us

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On Sunday morning I awoke to a flurry of messages on my phone and social media. They were all related to Holly Holm knocking out Ronda Rousey and pulling off the biggest upset in UFC history on Saturday night.

I don’t care if you love Ronda, or wish harm to her inside the Octagon, the reality is that unless you’re related to Holly Holm, you watched that fight on Saturday (and every other fight she’s been involved in) because you were attracted to her era of invincibility.

The public is drawn to greatness. Perfection in sports gives us fuel for bigger conversations. Whether it was the undefeated New England Patriots in 2007, Mike Tyson, the Michael Jordan led Bulls teams of the 90’s, or Floyd “Money” Mayweather, when the best are on display, we become attached to the story and compare it to the historical performances of others.

After the fight, athletes, media people, and celebrities weighed in on what had just taken place. Two responses in particular drew even larger attention – a post from Lady Gaga on Instagram, and a tweet by Donald Trump on Twitter.

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For the next 24 hours I watched as people continued to celebrate Ronda’s loss and vent their displeasure with her style. As they did so it hit me – Ronda may have lost the physical battle in that cage on Saturday night, but the power of her brand actually grew from this defeat.

Until she steps in that cage again, everything is going to revolve around “how could this happen to the unstoppable Ronda Rousey”. Only she can answer that lingering question, and when she finally does, it’s going to result in a record payday for her, and more pay per view buys and media coverage than any fight in UFC history.

As a personality, you’re tasked each day with finding a way to connect with the audience. How you do it isn’t as important as getting them interested. There are numerous entertainment options available to people, and it takes tremendous skill and intelligence to launch, develop, and preserve a powerful brand. Each decision you make becomes part of your identity, and your audience forms many of their opinions based on your choices.

In Ronda’s case, she created a mystique that divided the audience. Her fans see her as a ruthless badass with an “I don’t give a damn” attitude (which they love). Her critics meanwhile see her as a bully and a trash talker, and someone who doesn’t display class towards her opponents. In both instances, the audience is emotionally invested in her character.

If you work in sports media as an on-air personality, the goal should be to be relevant, interesting, and important to the audience. Being liked or disliked isn’t as imperative. The strongest personalities in this industry are prepared, highly opinionated, inquisitive, unique, and unflappable, and they carry this larger than life presence with them that results in attracting legions of fans and haters.

When you create a brand that matters, the audience will eat out of the palm of your hand whether they want to or not. To stir human emotion and make a person to think requires great skill, and those who possess it, often generate big ratings, and laugh all the way to the bank.

Remember, the same people who made plans to stay up late on a Saturday night to watch Ronda fight, are the same people driving to and from work Monday through Friday. They’ll also be the same people buying the rematch between Ronda and Holly and reliving every single emotion they just experienced this past weekend.

People are drawn in by greatness, confidence, drama, unpredictability, competition, and mystique. Whether it’s sports, radio, movies, concerts, or any other form of entertainment, people are drawn to these characteristics. Does your show provide them on a consistent basis? If it doesn’t, how do you plan to change it?

In terms of wins and losses, Ronda Rousey was a loser on Saturday night. But any individual who has the power to generate that type of connection to an audience, is a huge winner in my book. In fact, they’re the gift that keeps on giving. I’m sure Dana White agrees.

Crunching The Numbers:

101 ESPN in St. Louis turned in an impressive October book, the station’s first with Bernie Miklasz in morning drive. The station produced a 7.9 with Men 25-54 which was 2 points higher than its September book, and good enough for 3rd place. Even more impressive was the station finishing ahead of the market’s dominant News/Talk brand KMOX, which carried St. Louis Cardinals games during the month.

Under The Radar:

Damon Bruce had his contract renewed for another two years at 95.7 The Game in San Francisco. The afternoon talk show host will be with the radio station into the early part of 2018. Congrats to Damon and the radio station.

Chris Hoffman has been hired by Cumulus Salt Lake City to program AC station B98.7. Additionally he’s been named Operations Manager inside the cluster and one of his responsibilities will be overseeing Salt Lake sports station 1320 The Fan.

ESPN’s 30 For 30 “Chasing Tyson” was the #1 rated sports program last Tuesday night. The show delivered a 0.6 and 1.203 million viewers among the 18-49 demographic, beating the World Series of Poker Final which produced a 0.4 and drew 1.147 million, and the College Football Rankings Show which turned in a 0.4 and 1.097 million.

WQAM Wins Back To Back Months In Miami

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For two years, while 790 The Ticket was pounding WQAM-560 in the ratings (except morning drive, which was very close), one question remained unanswered:

To what extent was The Ticket benefiting from having two signals (790 AM and 104.3 FM), compared to one for WQAM? Because Nielsen Media Research combined the 790 and 104.3 ratings, it was impossible to know for sure.

Now that 104.3 has changed formats (to alternative rock), the playing field between The Ticket and WQAM has leveled in the past two months. And WQAM has capitalized.

In the October ratings book, WQAM had a 1.3 share compared with a 0.8 for The Ticket and 0.4 for WINZ, which owns radio rights to the Dolphins and Marlins. It marked the first time that WQAM beat The Ticket at least two consecutive months since September through November 2012.

In the key male 25 to 54 demographic group, WQAM’s Joe Rose; Orlando Alzugaray; and Marc Hochman, Channing Crowder and Zach Krantz all beat The Ticket in their respective day parts.

The Ticket beat WQAM, and handily, from 6 to 10 p.m., which included an hour of The Ticket’s Ethan Skolnick and Israel Gutierrez, often three hours of Josh Friedman and Chris Wittyngham, plus Heat preseason games and postseason baseball.

“I’m skeptical of the numbers,” Ticket general manager Doug Abernathy said of the October ratings overall. “We had a lot of disruptions at one time [the format change, Dan Le Batard moving hours, etc.]. It will take a few months to get a true sense” of audience size.

WQAM management declined to comment.

Abernathy said he is “really impressed” with The Herald’s Skolnick and ESPN’s Gutierrez and anticipates them becoming the permanent afternoon drive hosts, while stopping short of saying it’s definite.

Read more at the Miami Herald where this story was originally published

When Will The Sports Radio Bubble Burst?

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In August, FX Networks CEO John Landgraf spoke at the Television Critics Association summer tour about the state of the television industry. Landgraf said “I long ago lost the ability to keep track of every scripted TV series, but this year, I finally lost the ability to keep track of every programmer who is in the scripted programming business. This is simply too much television, and my sense is that 2015 or 2016 will represent peak TV in America, and then we’ll begin to see declines coming the year after and beyond.”

On the other hand, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings shares a different point of view. Speaking last week at The New York Times DealBook Conference he said “John’s wrong. There’s not nearly enough. There’s a lot more food than ever before, there’s a lot more choice, but I think when you do great content you’re going to find viewers. It comes back to entertainment spending, and entertainment spending has been increasing faster than disposable income for decades. I think as we come up with new experiences, when you look at virtual reality and how that’s going to improve video gaming, you’re seeing continued investment in entertainment.”

toomuchBoth men raise interesting points and a case can be made for each but I’m not here to analyze whether television has too much programming. I want to spin it towards the sports radio industry because the same question deserves to be asked – are there too many stations operating the format, and does that hurt the format’s ability to generate higher ratings and larger revenues?

When you look at the sports radio landscape today, there are 5 national networks offering the product full time. If you want to include Sports Byline that makes 6.

Then you have SiriusXM which provides national content through Mad Dog Radio and Bleacher Report, and delivers targeted content on channels such as NBA Radio, MLB Home Plate, the NFL channel, NHL Radio and College Sports Nation.

That’s just the national talk part of the conversation. Now let’s add play-by-play into the mix.

Westwood One, Sports Radio USA, Compass Media Networks, IMG, Learfield Communications, and the Touchdown Radio Network all play in this space, and I may be missing one or two but you get the picture.

Now let’s take a look at the local markets. For the sake of this conversation, I’m going to focus on the Top 25 markets. If we went beyond that, you’d find many smaller markets featuring the same amount of choice which is even more alarming considering there are less people and advertisers in many of these places.

MARKET STATIONS
NEW YORK CITY WFAN, 98.7 ESPN NY
LOS ANGELES ESPN LA 710, 570 KLAC, 980 THE BEAST, AM 830 KLAA
CHICAGO 670 THE SCORE, ESPN 1000
SAN FRANCISCO KNBR 680, 95.7 THE GAME, 1050 KNBR
DALLAS 105.3 THE FAN, 1310 THE TICKET, ESPN 103.3
HOUSTON 610 KILT, ESPN 97.5, SPORTS TALK 790, 1560 KGOW
WASHINGTON DC 106.7 THE FAN, ESPN 980, CBS SPORTS RADIO 1580
PHILADELPHIA 97.5 THE FANATIC, 94 WIP, 610 SPORTS
ATLANTA 92.9 THE GAME, 680 THE FAN, ESPN 1230, FOX SPORTS 1340
BOSTON 93.7 WEEI, 98.5 THE SPORTS HUB, ESPN WEEI 850
MIAMI 790 THE TICKET, 560 WQAM, 640 SPORTS, 940 WINZ
DETROIT 97.1 THE TICKET, DETROIT SPORTS 105.1, WDFN 1130AM
SEATTLE 710 ESPN, 950 KJR, 1090 THE FAN
PHOENIX ARIZONA SPORTS 98.7, FOX SPORTS 910, NBC SPORTS 1060
MINNEAPOLIS KFAN 100.3, 1500 ESPN
SAN DIEGO MIGHTY 1090, XTRA SPORTS 1360
DENVER 104.3 THE FAN, 105.5 ESPN, MILE HIGH SPORTS 1340AM
TAMPA 620 WDAE, 1040 THE TEAM
BALTIMORE 105.7 THE FAN, WNST AM 1570, CBS SPORTS RADIO 1300
ST. LOUIS 101 ESPN, CBS SPORTS 920, 590 THE FAN, 1490 THE CHAMP
PORTLAND 1080 THE FAN, RIP CITY RADIO 620, 750 THE GAME, 910 ESPN
CHARLOTTE 610 THE FAN, ESPN 730, FOX SPORTS 98.7
PITTSBURGH 93.7 THE FAN, 970 ESPN
SAN ANTONIO ESPN 1250, THE TICKET 760, CBS SPORTS RADIO 860
SACRAMENTO KHTK 1140, ESPN 1320

As crowded as the list above might be, I’m not even close to being done.

In Pittsburgh and Boston for example, The Boston Herald and the Pittsburgh Tribune have their own full service sports radio stations online through their websites. Those count as programming options which pull away sports radio listeners.

In most of these markets, you’ll find News/Talk brands that also dabble in sports. To shed light on a few, KMOX and KTRS in St. Louis, have produced sports talk at night and on the weekends along with carrying play by play. KOA in Denver, WGN in Chicago, WOR in New York, and WCCO in Minneapolis have all followed a similar strategy.

thexThen you have music brands which also get involved. In Pittsburgh, 105.9 The X offers music throughout the day, and Mark Madden’s afternoon sports show and Pittsburgh Penguins hockey. 102.5 WDVE which is also in Pittsburgh and a classic rock brand, is the home for Pittsburgh Steelers football.

I haven’t even touched on the stations that offer sports programming in Spanish. When you add them into this conversation, it becomes even more congested.

As of January 2015, the sports format was the 4th largest at 794 stations in the United States. Only Country, News/Talk and Spanish formats received more clearance. Growth has been consistent for nearly a decade, and to put it in perspective, in 2005 there were 500 sports stations, which means that there’s been nearly 60% growth during the past 10 years.

But is that a good thing?

In many of these markets, stations are clearing the programming and using the clearance to justify larger dollars from national advertisers, but the performance is minimal. While the industry loves to tout the number 794 to illustrate massive interest in the programming, it’s a case of smoke and mirrors. Yes there are brands doing a phenomenal job to captivate audiences, but there are also hundreds who are filling air time with national content, and not generating ratings or revenue.

listeningWhat becomes more puzzling is when you look at the total percentage of audience who consume sports radio. The format’s success is largely dependent on Men 25-54, and even if you stretched the demographic to Men 18-64, an entire market might produce 15-25% of listening. Certain cities like Boston and Detroit may outperform that number, but as a whole this is where we are.

If that’s the percentage of listening that’s available, then how can 4-5 brands operate the format in one local city and expect to run a successful business?

Some folks will point to stations that only offer national content on a smaller brand and say that they shouldn’t count, but the way I see it, if a station can be heard in a local market, and sports programming exists on it, then it counts. If that station pulls in a half a point of listening, that’s a half a point that didn’t go to one of the other sports radio brands in the market.

You can make a case that a city like New York which has close to 15 million people and 9 professional sports teams, can support three sports stations. Dallas and Houston have already demonstrated that three can work, but Los Angeles, Chicago and San Francisco haven’t had the same luck. However, I can’t see three to four sports brands being successful in a market like St. Louis, Portland, Pittsburgh, or Baltimore.

Seattle and Minneapolis (which have a larger population than each of those four cities) tried to introduce a third sports talker over the past few years only to fail. Another similar sized city, Tampa, saw its only FM sports brand (98.7 The Fan) get flipped when the station was sold by CBS to Beasley. The feeling was that the pie wasn’t large enough, even though The Fan had started to make inroads.

chooseIt may sound good when we tell people the format is nearly 800 stations strong, but the performance can’t match the distribution. Many in the industry today believe there are too many networks offering national programming. The same can be said of play-by-play providers, and local markets with too many choices and not enough people to listen to them.

With digital listening growing, it’s only a matter of time until the options for consuming content become even smaller. Television is on the verge of an ala carte viewing world, and radio will experience the same fate. The listener today has less time, more distractions, and they want more control, and once the inside of their vehicle matches their cell phone or computer, it’s going to be a game changer. It won’t matter if you have distribution, it’ll matter if your brand and personalities are important enough to be consumed.

To put it in simpler terms, a personality like Bill Simmons will be more valuable than an entire radio station. Users won’t care if the content is distributed through radio or a podcast. If it’s digital or terrestrial radio. If the show is on a station with a big signal or a digital channel that can be picked up by having a wifi connection. You can offer them ten different local outlets to enjoy sports programming and they’re going to go to the one that supplies them consistently with the best content experience.

This discussion started with two CEO’s disagreeing over whether or not there is too much programming on television. I connect more with FX Networks CEO John Landgraf who says there are too many choices, and I believe the same holds true for sports radio.

Being available as an option on the dial is one thing, but standing out on it is another. It’s not about quantity, it’s about quality. That’s what sports radio groups need to focus on because without high quality programming it’s only a matter of time before a brand is obsolete.

I can’t help but think about how much better our format would be in local markets if the best content and people weren’t so divided between so many stations. They say there’s strength in numbers, but I’m not so sure that’s accurate in this case.

Crunching The Numbers:

WDAE in Tampa enjoyed a good October book. The station finished 7th with a 4.9 in the desired Men 25-54 demographic. That was up from 3.8 in September, and a 4.3 during the same time last year.

KNBR in San Francisco turned in a great October, finishing 1st with a 6.3 with Men 25-54. Year to year the station was down nearly three points (9.2) but but that’s largely due to the San Francisco Giants winning the World Series last year.

95.7 The Game in San Francisco had a strong month finishing 6th with a 4.1 with Men 25-54. The station was up from 3.9 in September, and beat KNBR in the 12p-3p timeslot. The Game’s “Papa and Lund” finished in that slot in 3rd with a 5.2. KNBR’s “Fitz & Brooks” were 4th with a 4.7.

Satisfying The Appetite For Sports Information

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Two weeks ago I read a column by Jason Whitlock and it got my wheels spinning. The outspoken columnist who recently left ESPN and returned to Fox Sports stated that we were witnessing the decay of journalism in sports media, and numerous media companies were guilty of allowing it to happen.

Much like any written piece, there were areas that could be disputed, but in general, I felt he raised a number of valid points. There’s no question that the public has a big appetite for sports information. Social media outlets like Twitter and Facebook have increased the interest, speed, and accountability for quality reporting, and most of the content produced on sports radio, television, and websites, is built from it.

rosenthalBut for every major network who commits large resources to employing skilled reporters, the local end of the business does face a different reality. The commitment to developing young people has become a much bigger challenge for many media companies.

Today, people are often thrust into roles they’re not ready for or they’re asked to perform multiple jobs inside of an organization because of limited budgets. That makes it harder to gain deeper penetration on a local beat, and become your very best.

Newspaper readership and advertising dollars have declined, and the radio and television industries have experienced similar difficulties. Those issues unfortunately have caused groups to reduce or eliminate these positions and limit the amount invested in them. For someone who is young, hungry, and looking to create a career as a reporter, it can be disheartening.

Over the years I’ve conducted numerous research projects, and I’ve learned that audiences prefer truth over entertainment. There is a need for both presentations but without experienced reporters investing time in developing sources, and working tirelessly to investigate stories so our demand for accurate information is satisfied, the need for sports content becomes less important.

schefter2The sports media business benefits greatly from having highly trained reporters in the field who can cut through white noise to provide a detailed account for what’s taking place. The access to information, and ability to provide it fairly, and in a timely fashion, makes our sports experience more fulfilling. It can be argued that a top notch reporter at a high profile sports network is its most valuable asset next to live play-by-play. With social media playing a dominant role in each individual’s daily routine, the demand for a reporter’s content exists 24/7.

There will always be a fraction of the audience who just want to be entertained, and don’t care to know the truth and will accept certain issues being swept under the rug (MLB Steroids scandal). Most though who watch, listen, and read about sports, want to believe that the results being achieved are honest, and we put our trust in reporters to make sure they are. Nobody has more to gain or lose, than the reporter who’s right in the middle of each story.

If there’s another growing concern, it’s that in many cases, professional sports leagues, agents, and teams have made a reporter’s job even more difficult. For example, the Redskins are notorious for trying to cover up information and present details which can only be viewed through rose-colored glasses. The Packers also recently tried to intimidate a reporter who had published an article about a player with a checkered past.

And those aren’t the only two. There are many others who operate the same way. That unfortunately makes it even tougher to trust those who do conduct themselves properly.

socialgrowthDespite those challenges, reporting is a necessity for our business. Digital and social media audiences are soaring, and sports consumers are investing large chunks of their time to learn everything they can about their teams and the individuals who are a part of them.

While a reporter may not have their name on the marquee of the show you tune into, many times it’s their information and content that dominates the majority of the programming.

The real question facing media groups is “how can the increased demand for breaking sports news across multiple platforms be utilized to generate even larger profits, pageviews and ratings“? Measuring the impact is becoming much more difficult for media operators, but there’s certainly no shortage of interest in the information.

I was curious about the benefits and challenges of reporting, and what it takes to succeed in the field, and figured that if I’m going to write a piece on one of the most important roles in our industry, I might as well ask the best.

In addition to each of these gentlemen being great at what they do, they’re also quality people, who love their profession, and have no issues sharing feedback that will help others inside the industry. If reporting is an area of interest to you, I encourage you to follow each of them on social media, and heed their advice.

Q: What do you enjoy the most and least about reporting?

Rosenthal: Being the first to tell fans something they want to know is what I enjoy most. NOT being the first is the thing I enjoy least!

Schefter: There’s nothing like the adrenaline of a big, breaking news story. I love big stories, and would think all journalists do. It’s the equivalent of a big game. Do athletes feel the adrenaline and anxiety of a playoff matchup or championship game? Absolutely. It’s the same thing in journalism. There’s nothing like a big story. As for the least appealing part of the job, you never want to get beat on one of those big stories.

Bucher: What I enjoy most is discovering what inspired a person to become who they are, or what inspired a certain move or decision. Basically, unearthing the back story to an event or entity that everyone may know on the surface. What I enjoy least are people who don’t respond to my queries. Saying no or refusing to be interviewed isn’t ideal, but at least I know where I stand. Not knowing if the message ever reached them is the most aggravating aspect.

Clayton: The challenge of getting the information and getting the information correctly reported. Social media has made the pace of information increase, which is good. The more information the better. What this is leading to is being able to analyze the information and put it in perspective quickly.

Q: How difficult is it to establish yourself on a local level, and how did you build your brand and earn trust locally when you didn’t have a national outlet behind you?

Schefter: That’s not really how I thought about it then, or now. I just tried to do my job as well as I could ever day, treat people as fairly as I could every day, work as hard as I could every day, and wherever that went, it went. If you do those things — act professionally, report responsibly, treat people fairly — that’s how you earn trust and build your brand. They are simple things, but they are harder to follow through and carry out.

Clayton: It just takes time. You have to be patient. You can’t rush stories when they aren’t ready. You earn trust with the way you handle the tougher stories. Not every story is going to be positive. If you handle the negative stories correct, the team or the players involved learn to respect your professionalism. That is how you gain sources. You have to build trust.

Rosenthal: I had a different job at the local level for many years – I was a general sports columnist for the Baltimore Sun. I did a lot of baseball, though, and my initial contacts when I went to the national level were mostly people who had worked for the Orioles.

Bucher: I don’t think it matters who you’re attached to. It depends on the strength of your relationships. Are you fair? Are you thorough? Do you do your homework? And, finally, do you have knowledge or insight that might be useful to the people from whom you’re seeking knowledge or insight? Working for a big enterprise might get your calls returned, or returned faster, but what they’re willing to tell you, and whether or not they’re simply using you because of your platform — and perhaps not giving you the most accurate assessment of what’s going on — still depends on how much they trust and respect you and your work.

Q: When your sport is at its peak level of activity, what does a day’s work include? How many hours are put in, and how do you balance sleep and family commitments with the job?

Bucher: I never can be sure when my sport is going to peak, because I never know when I might stumble upon something that then requires my complete focus. Or perhaps I have a project to complete and therefore need to shut out everything else; that happens, too. But let’s say we’re talking about the traditional peak activity, which is at the trade deadline, the week before the draft and the start of free agency. Generally, everything gets put on the back burner or has the potential to be put on hold for several days during those periods. The key, though, is doing your work early — knowing what potentially could be brewing weeks or months in advance and staying on top of those situations as the witching hour approaches.

When I was in full-reporter mode, everything came second. I am fortunate that I now get to spend a good part of my energy creating unique content or seeking certain stories to report out, as opposed to being subject to chasing down whatever may be going on in the league at any given moment. When that was the case, I was either making calls or thinking about who I needed to reach, and when the ideal time to contact them would be.

reporter-rosenthalRosenthal: My job never stops – and that’s year-round. Sleep is an issue, especially during the postseason, and during the off-season when I wake up at 6 a.m. to do the MLB Network morning show. As for family commitments, I’m fortunate my kids are older (two out of college, one in). I could not have done this job when they were younger. I’m also lucky that my wife is extremely patient – and I mean extremely.

Clayton: The job is pretty much a 12-to-15 hour marathon. You start by making a to-do list at around 5 or 6 in the morning. You work until dinner if not later. The longer you work, the better it is. Because of that, it is difficult on family commitments and sleep. I am lucky because I have an understanding wife. That is important.

Schefter: Every day is different in this job. The regular season — September through January — has a certain rhythm to it, predictability. I can tell you what any Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday or Saturday will be like, and the things I have to get done. It’s the other parts of the year that are more unpredictable and challenging, because you never know when news will be coming. It could happen any time, any day, with any team or player.

There are certain times of the year that truly are peak news periods, where the work never really stops. The few weeks after the regular season ends, when teams are firing and hiring coaches while the NFL playoffs are kicking off; that’s really busy. The week leading up to and then the first couple of weeks of free agency also are non-stop, with calls coming in and going out, and news constantly happening. The two weeks leading up to the draft and the week of the draft also are heavy phone call times, with lots of speculation and questions.

Q: How hard is it to decipher between a real piece of information that has legs, and when an individual or organization are trying to utilize you and your platform to further their own agenda?

Clayton: You enter every interview knowing you’re being used. No one would be talking to you if that person wasn’t trying to present a story from their perspective. There is nothing wrong with that. You just have to recognize what angle that person is coming from.

scheftySchefter: I don’t really think about that often. If you do this job long enough, you create long-standing relationships. People you trust and who trust you are not going to do that to you; it’s unethical and wrong. People think this sort of thing goes on all the time, but if there is enough trust built up, it doesn’t happen nearly as often as you think. And it’s also the reporter’s responsibility to decipher what is real and what is not, what sounds plausible and what is not.

Bucher: I’m not the first to say it, but I wholeheartedly believe it: any reporter worth their salt has a hair-trigger bullshit detector and is a bit of a cynic when it comes to sources and news. That said, sometimes you can’t tell right away if something is on the level or not. Sometimes you can go pretty far down the road and discover that the hot item you had really isn’t that hot. What is disturbing in today’s world of reporting is that finding out an item isn’t as solid as it initially appeared to be doesn’t seem to be a deterrent to putting it out there anyway as “news.” Or maybe it’s that the vetting process, the digging further to see if this juicy item truly is both juicy and an item, just isn’t a de facto part of the process anymore.

Rosenthal: It’s not always easy, but part of our job is to figure out when we’re being used.

Q: What was the one story you got burned on that still stings? What did you learn from it?

Clayton: There isn’t one that comes directly to mind. You learn from every story you do.

Rosenthal: There are too many to mention! And I’m not kidding. I remember the failures more than the successes. Just my nature, I guess.

reporter-bucherBucher: There are two stories that I mishandled that probably will always haunt me. The first concerns Kobe Bryant and his desire to be traded to the Bulls in 2007. I was careful to report only what I knew to be undeniably true, which was that he wanted Jerry West or another addition to Lakers management or he intended to force a trade.

On SportsCenter shortly before training camp opened, I reported what I knew and at the end was asked by Neil Everett, if I thought Kobe would show up for camp. I had been told by an unimpeachable source that he did not intend to show up. So I said, “I don’t think he’s showing up“. Now, that was my opinion, not something I considered on the level of reporting because even if I had been told that, there was no way I could certifiably KNOW that. But that’s how I viewed it, not necessarily how viewers heard it. So, of course, he shows up and I get killed for reporting that he wouldn’t. If I had it to do over again, I would’ve told Neil, “I don’t know what he’s going to do.”

The other one involves a colossal game of catfish, in which someone got the phone of an NBA executive and texted me from it about a trade that could be going down between the Raptors and the Heat involving Kyle Lowry and Chris Bosh. My bullshit detector was buzzing, but I spent three days texting back and forth with the alleged executive, asking questions, trying to poke holes in what they were telling me. Finally, my secret texter said the deal was about to pop and I should be good to go with it. I can’t recall ever reporting a story having talked to only one source, but this executive surely would’ve had a direct line to the information and we had spent three days going back and forth. I didn’t want to expose my source by calling someone else in the organization to ask about the deal — or so I told myself — and finally sent the story.

As soon as I did, the thought hit me — our conversation had only been by text. We’d never spoken. What if? It only took minutes before I received a call from one of the GMs involved who I knew well and who promptly told me the deal was bogus. I felt as if someone had shotgunned my guts. The same evil being then texted me again offering me the Jason-Kidd-forcing-out-John-Hammond story to “make it up to me.” That’s one sick individual.

What would I have done different? What I do now — I never report anything strictly off one source. It’s how I long operated but I’m once more committed to it fully.

Schefter: Sometimes you’re awaiting one final confirmation from a source when a story breaks. That’s never enjoyable. But it’s one of the issues of today. You need to be as fast as possible, yet you better make sure your reporting is right first. That’s the most important thing. But that’s the pressure that every reporter deals with on his or her beat. Be fast. But more important, be right.

Q: What advice would you pass along to someone who is pursuing the path of a reporter, or has just started on the local level and is trying to make inroads?

Rosenthal: Work hard, read a lot, be respectful – and be patient.

reporter-schefty2Schefter: Be consistent. Be reliable. Be steady. Be productive. Be honest. Be fair. Be professional. Be diligent. Be open-minded. Be curious. Be brave. Be bold. Be patient. Be considerate. Be compassionate. And then you can be whatever you want.

Clayton: Start as young as you can. I was credentialed to cover the Steelers when I was 17. The jobs of the future aren’t yet created. You have to create the jobs, but there are plenty of opportunities. You have newspapers, magazines, radio, television, internet and blogs. If you work hard and are accurate, you should be fine.

Bucher: Be honest. Do your homework. Cover a subject or beat as you would want to be covered. If you want your subjects to confide in you, then you have to let them get to know who you are and how you work. Don’t worry about how big the beat is or the size of the stories you’re assigned; you never know when a small story is going to become a big one. In the meantime, you get to practice on reporting out small stories so when a big one does come along you’re more apt to handle it correctly.

Spend as much time talking with the notebook closed and the tape recorder off as you do with them open and on. I still believe most people will accept the truth being told. They may not like it, they may prefer it be kept quiet, but if it does come to light and it is presented fairly they ultimately will come to understand that it needed to be told.

The Fan and The Ticket Both Deliver In Dallas

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The October ratings race, including streamed programming, in the all-important category of men 25-54 finished: 6.2 for 105.3 The Fan; 5.4 for Sportsradio 1310 and 96.7 FM The Ticket; and 2.5 for KESN-FM (103.3).

In men 25-54 from Monday to Friday 6 a.m. to 7 p.m. when the big-name, high-priced local talent is on the air, it was: Ticket 6.8, buoyed by prime-time morning drive; Fan 5.3; KESN 2.8.

The Ticket’s Morning Musers almost lapped the crowded pack behind them. George Dunham, Craig Miller and Gordon Keith scored a 10.9 among men 25-54. Closest was the Fan’s Ben & Skin, both at 5.6.

Here’s a Monday-Friday breakdown by show of the men 25-54 for October:

The Musers (Ticket), 6-10 a.m. – 10.9
Ben & Skin (Fan), 3-7 p.m. – 5.6
G-Bag Nation (Fan), 10 a.m.-3 p.m. – 5.4
The Hardline (Ticket), 3-7 p.m. – 5.3
BaD Radio (Ticket), noon-3 p.m. – 5.0
Shan & R.J. (Fan), 6-10 a.m. – 4.8
Mike & Mike (KESN), 5-9 a.m. – 4.4
Norm & Donovan (Ticket), 10 a.m.-noon – 4.0
Dennis & Friedo (KESN) 11 a.m.-3 p.m. – 2.2
Cowlishaw & Mosley (KESN), 3-6 p.m. – 2.1
Dan Le Batard (KESN), 9-11 a.m. – 1.6

Credit to the Dallas News who originally published this article

Why The MLB Playoff Broadcasts Matter!

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The quest to introduce you to different members of the sports media continues. With thousands performing this line of work each day, there are a lot of great opinions, strategies, styles, and experiences to learn from.

As much as I enjoy sharing my own perspectives, I feel it’s equally important to provide a platform for others to share their views as well.

ASR3Last month I partnered with Zach McCrite to offer his “Podcast About Sports Radio” here on the website. Hopefully you’ve enjoyed listening to some of the great conversations that he’s conducted with various members of the sports media.

Now though, it’s time to add another wrinkle to the website.

Starting today, and going forward, I will feature some exclusive written pieces from different members of the sports media on SportsRadioPD.com. Program Directors, Talk Show Hosts, Play by Play Announcers, Producers, Update Anchors, Reporters, Imaging Director’s, Voice Talent, and Sellers, will offer their own personal thoughts on subjects that resonate with them and apply to the industry we make our living in.

The goal of this website is to be a resource of information to those who work in the industry, and to educate and entertain those who listen or watch our work, and/or wish to learn more about it. If you work in sports media, and have an interest in contributing a future column, email me at JBarrett@hvy.tcp.mybluehost.me.

fishmanTo kick things off, I am thrilled to present this exclusive piece by Matt Fishman. During Matt’s career, he has served as a Program Director, Sports Director, and Executive Producer for great sports radio brands such as The Score in Chicago, SiriusXM, and 610 Sports in Kansas City.

The subject he wrote about was the 2015 MLB Playoffs, and the importance of welcoming casual fans into a broadcast and avoiding mistakes that cause them to tune out. I think you’ll enjoy his insight and I encourage you to connect with him on Facebook or Twitter. His information is listed below.

Jason Barrett

Why The MLB Playoff Broadcasts Matter!

In watching and listening to the 2015 Baseball Playoffs I have noticed that both radio and TV broadcasts have not welcomed “casual fans” to their broadcasts.  Here are a few examples:

Aaron Boone (ESPN Radio)

Early in the playoffs I heard Aaron Boone talk about a player’s OPS. If you’re a die-hard baseball fan, you’ll know that OPS is a baseball statistic stands for On Base + Slugging percentage.

The problem with Aaron Boone’s analysis during the playoffs—a lot of people listening don’t know what OPS is. In the playoffs, both TV and Radio audiences grow as more casual fans tune in. They have to feel welcomed to the broadcast.

Aaron Boone or the Play by Play announcer should have interjected a description of what OPS is and why it is important. Here’s an example.

OPS measures a player’s ability to get on base and his power. A player with a high OPS is typically able to both get on base and hit for power. Players with an OPS of .900 or higher are generally considered to be the best hitters. The all-time leader in OPS is Babe Ruth at 1.1638.

Sam Ryan (TBS and MLB Network)

During a Cubs/Mets NLCS game, TBS reporter Sam Ryan interviewed Mets Manager Terry Collins. Where Ryan missed the mark—she asked the manager about a number of players only mentioning them by their first names.

If you’re a die-hard Mets fan, you knew who they were talking about. For a more casual fan, hearing questions about “David, Noah, Daniel, and Curtis” is utterly confusing and a complete waste of the manager interview.

Why does this matter to you and your station? Because in the battle for ratings you would do anything to get some additional ears on your brand. So don’t blow the opportunity when your town has a hot team. Take these extra steps to make these new listeners feel welcome:

  1. Roll out the Red Carpet: Welcome in new listeners by sticking to the big story or big team (“Play the hits”), avoid inside jokes, explain any regular segments, contributors and benchmarks. Avoid anything that may turn off new listeners to your station.
  1. Reset: Likely more than your hosts are comfortable with. WHO is on the air and WHAT are we covering, HOW we are covering it, and WHEN you can hear the next live report, live guest, etc.
  1. Imaging: You need to have team specific imaging to re-inforce your coverage.
  1. Phone Calls: Encourage new listeners to call in. Have a “First time caller” segment to welcome or reward new listeners. Avoid long calls with station regulars.

If you make the casual fans feel welcome when they check out your station, not only will you enjoy the ratings blip of a playoff team, but you can create more P1’s (hardcore listeners) that will tune in year round!

Matt Fishman has spent over 20 years in Sports radio programming. He has been Sports Director of The Score-WSCR/Chicago, Program Director at 610 Sports KCSP/Kansas City, Executive Producer MLB Home Plate at XM Satellite Radio, and Program Director of SiriusXM College Sports Nation. You can connect with him on Twitter by clicking here or on Facebook by clicking here.

A Tale of Two Networks: It’s All In The State of Mind

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Earlier today I read an article in the Sports Business Journal, and it struck a nerve with me. I’ve talked numerous times about being driven to win, caring about your ratings, and thriving on competition. If the final score doesn’t count, than why exactly are you playing the game?

Well, Jamie Horowitz, President of Fox Sports National Networks, and Sam Flood, NBC Sports’ Executive Producer, offer very different perspectives on their approach to competing.

During the ’15 NeuLion Sports Media & Technology Conference, a panel took place and both men were asked to provide their vision for their respective brands.

NBCSNWhen asked to describe the NBC Sports Network’s strategy, Flood said “Multi-sport shows, for now, are not a part of our strategy. Instead, NBCSN has chosen to go all-in on the properties it owns rights to, such as “Sunday Night Football,” the NHL, the EPL, NASCAR and F1.

Focusing on the key play-by-play relationships makes a ton of sense, but the most powerful of those brands (Sunday Night Football) does not air on NBC Sports Network. It airs on NBC.

When you think about the programming choices on the NBC Sports Network, there’s little available to cause you to shift your viewing habits, even if you’re open minded to doing so.

Flood was then asked about the network’s approach to competing against other networks. He said, “We’re not looking to serve everyone in the audience. We’re looking to serve the specific audience that we have. Short-term, you’ve got to be what you are and be in love with the sports you have, and embrace the sports you have. If we’re going to be a buffet restaurant, it’s going to be a lot harder to get the people in there. If people know we’re serving steak, they’re going to come for the steak.”

Wait a second. You’re NOT trying to serve everyone in the audience? You have to love and embrace who you are, be satisfied with it, and not look to offer more choices to get people to sample your offerings? Someone needs to read “Thinking” by Walter Wintle.

fs1Horowitz on the other hand had a much different response when asked about battling other networks, more specifically, the top dog ESPN. He said “We’re here to compete. There’s no doubt about it. It’s a perfectly acceptable business and strategy that NBC is pursuing, but it’s not the one that Fox is pursuing. We’re here to compete all hours of the day, seven days a week. We’re not going to concede any ground to ESPN. Not now, not in the future, and I think that’s represented in the decisions we’ve made recently.”

I don’t know either of these gentleman on a personal basis. I only know their professional reputations, and the networks they represent. However, based on what each of them had to say, I can’t help but be energized by one, and demoralized by the other.

Since joining Fox Sports, Horowitz has made some bold moves to create interest in the brand. He’s added Colin Cowherd and Jason Whitlock, Katie Nolan has received a ton of promotion, and even Bill Simmons made a surprise appearance on the network last week. While the Fox Sports brand still has a long ways to go to overtake ESPN, it’s clear they’re trying.

Meanwhile, the NBC Sports Network doesn’t even receive consideration for my viewing time because they’ve done little to add to the product. I’ll tune in occasionally for “The Dan Patrick Show” or an NHL game, and I’ve even caught a handful of Mike Florio’s shows, but aside from that, there are very few reasons to watch the channel.

espnWhat stands out is the drastic difference in mentality. I recognize that knocking ESPN off its perch is a monumental task. Realistically, it’s probably not going to happen, and if it does, it’s probably going to take a decade or two.

One year ago I didn’t have any interest in turning on Fox Sports 1, but now they’ve given me reasons to consider it. I’m still an ESPN viewer first and foremost, and breaking that habit is going to take a ton of time, and work. It’s a strong brand that connects with me, and provides high quality programming and personalities, and live sporting events from the NFL, MLB, NBA and College Football.

That said, I also enjoy opinionated voices like Cowherd, Nolan, and Whitlock, so FS1 has done a nice job of adding some people to force me to think about them as an alternative.

For NBCSN, little has been done to spice up the presentation and programming. If I’m in the mood for NHL action or the DP show, I’ll check them out, but if improvements aren’t going to be made, and they’re satisfied with what they have, then why should I watch?

To use an analogy to wrap this up, Fox Sports has a house, and they’re making renovations to it, in hopes that when they throw their next party, I’ll attend it, have a great time, and want to come back again.

On the other hand, NBCSN needs a fresh coat of paint on its walls, and their siding needs to be washed to make the exterior look better, but they’re not interested in improving the overall appearance to make me or anyone else want to stop by.

It was Andre Agassi who once said “Image is everything” but to NBCSN that’s not the case. Which is why when I drive down the road, and get ready to pull up to the house, I ask myself if I even want to go inside. Ultimately I choose to drive right by.

Based on their responses earlier today, Flood doesn’t seem to care if I attend his gathering or not. He prefers a small circle, and wishes to keep the entertainment to a minimum.

Luckily, Horowitz is throwing one heck of a party down the street, and is insisting I stop by. I think I will. Hopefully the pool water’s warm and the beer is cold!

WIP and The Fanatic In Tight Ratings Battle

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In the bitter ratings battle between Sportsradio 94.1 WIP’s Josh Innes and 97.5 The Fanatic’s Mike Missanelli, the new fight appears to be over digital listeners.

According to numbers obtained by Philly.com, Innes and co-hosts Spike Eskin and Hollis Thomas beat Missanelli during the October ratings period (Sept. 10 to Oct. 7), finishing 2nd overall in the market with an 8.4 share in the coveted men-25-54 demographic. Missanelli ended up in 3rd place with a 8.1 share.

But Missanelli was able to duplicate the high ratings from digital listeners he received last month, earning an impressive 1.8 share, dwarfing the 0.2 share Innes earned. Combining the two numbers would make put Missanelli in first place among all listeners in the demographic for his time slot.

“More people chose to listen to us. It’s that simple,” Missanelli said. “The people have spoken.”

Traditionally, radio stations only count the terrestrial ratings numbers to determine things like advertising rates and bonus offers. But the growth in online radio is quickly changing the market, and audience trends clearly point to listeners who increasingly want control of when and how they listen to programs.

“Advertisers are after an audience, and they see digital radio as a platform that reaches an engaged user who can be precisely targeted by geography, demographics, social connections, listening behavior and other critical metrics,” was the conclusion of a report by market research firm eMarketer.

Innes doesn’t disagree that digital listeners are important, but thinks streaming ratings estimates are usless.

“You can see how many people listen to a stream at a given time. You don’t need an estimate,” Innes said. “I’m beating him using the same system he used to beat the previous show. He is reaching. Will he hold up his promise to quit if he’s still losing to me after the season?

The Fanatic was able to sustain their impressive digital ratings from last month for all three of their daytime slots, making the ratings battle a closer fight.

For instance, WIP’s Angelo Cataldi earned a 7.9 share during the 6-10 a.m. time slot, good enough for 2nd place in the market. The Fanatic’s Anthony Gargano came in third with a 6.9 share.

But Gargano also earned a 1.0 digital share, compared to Cataldi’s 0.1. So if you combine the two numbers, Gargano is neck-and-neck with Cataldi in terms of overall ratings, giving the ratings champ his first serious challenge during his 20-year tenure at WIP.

Credit to Philly.com who originally published this article

What Goes Into Producing a National Sports Talk Show?

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There are a lot of people in the sports radio industry who assume that creating a national sports talk show is simple. How could it not be right?

After all, you can talk about anything you want, you work for a major network and receive tons of promotion, every team and agent gives you every guest you want, your hosts know everything there is to know about sports and need little guidance, and the show is carried all over the country by hundreds of radio stations. and the audience is so large that there’s never any danger of the program failing.

While there are many benefits that come from working on a national program, putting it together, and making it great is a lot harder than you think.

One thing I learned quickly when I worked in network radio between 2004-2006 is that having knowledge of how to do a lot of things in radio is nice, but truly being GREAT at one or two of them is much more important.

zaslouI remember arriving at ESPN Radio and when my bosses Louise Cornetta and Dave Zaslowsky wanted me to work with my hosts on creating strong topics, and writing teases, I thought “that’s all you want me to do“?

I had worked in local radio prior to that for 6 years, and during that time I had hosted, booked guests, screened calls, ran boards, cut audio, reported, delivered updates, programmed a station and coached a small staff, and even sold advertising. Heck, there were times when I had to host my show and run the board while also screening phone calls.

I was so used to doing so many things (this occurs in a lot of local radio stations still today) that I felt I could pick up more slack. What I didn’t realize though, was that although I knew how to do many of those things, I hadn’t perfected many of them.

Being honest with myself, I realized that if I was a phenomenal talk show host, I’d be hosting on the network, not producing. I also knew my sound and ability to do updates were nowhere near the quality of incredible anchors like Jay Reynolds, Marc Kestecher, “The Duke” Dan Davis, and John Stashower.

When it came to producing, although I felt I had great instincts, a bulldog mentality to land guests, and a good idea of how to build a show and be creative, I still had yet to figure out what my strengths and weaknesses were.

I followed the advice of Dave and Louise, and started working alongside Ray Necci (who’s featured in this story), and concentrated a lot on improving my topic development, and teases. Ray was a tremendous teacher, and challenged me often, and I enjoyed it because we worked well together, and I could feel myself getting better.

I discovered during this time that I had a knack for landing top notch guests, and I felt it was one way I could make a strong impression on my hosts and bosses. Anytime I produced a show, I wanted to create one moment in the program that was good enough to appear on SportsCenter or be the front page story on ESPN.com. While that didn’t happen every time, it was the goal each time I went to work.

I was also lucky enough to work with some great personalities such as Dan Patrick,  John Seibel, Chuck Wilson, Doug Gottlieb, Freddie Coleman, John Rooke and Amy Lawrence who trusted my instincts on guest booking, worked with me on building good topics, and either relied on my teases or took what I gave them and spun it into their own words to make it sound good.

I learned that to produce a national show successfully, you’ve got to be versatile, a great leader, and a manager who’s willing to delegate. Most national shows have a staff assigned to them, and everyone behind the scenes has a role. The producer works closely with the talent to strategize the program, and the support staff report to the producer to make sure they have what they need for the program to succeed.

Unlike local radio where some show plans get thrown together quickly and segments are built off of the audience’s reaction to a host’s monologue, most national programs have a very structured layout that has been created off of hours of discussion and preparation.

There’s conscious thought given to how often a major story gets discussed during a 3-4 hour show, guests are lined up based on what matters most that day, not who is available, and teases are written in advance to support the content and keep listeners engaged. Interviews may even be taped and edited to sound as tight as possible, and everyone is focused on the content and ready to change gears if something develops that warrants attention.

The challenges that many national shows face are something often beyond their control – changing the mindset of local sports radio operators,  finding a way to become part of the local station instead of being seen as the show that originates from another part of the country, and having ratings success in certain markets while not performing as high in others.

Nobody has a playbook that can promise success, but when a national show is being added to a local sports radio station, I believe there are a few critical things that have to be analyzed to make sure it’s a good fit.

  1. Do the hosts focus a majority of their content on subjects that appeal to the local audience?
  2. How will the radio station localize the show so it sounds connected, not removed from the rest of the programming? This means using the liners wisely inside the show, having your talent talk about content from the show as if it was created by another local host on the radio station, creating promos that highlight the show’s coverage of local topics, and utilizing the same voice talent on the station that you’d hear during the national content.
  3. What are the national hosts willing to do to strengthen the bond with the station? Will they customize liners? Make client calls? Commit to a local appearance? Call-in to the other local shows? Conduct social media chats with local fans?
  4. How much salary is being saved by using a national program vs. local hosts, and is the ratings/sales end of the business going to benefit or suffer by going this route?
  5. Who is the local market sports radio competitor, where do they rank, and what mix of programming will give the radio station the best chance to win versus the competition?

lnAs someone who’s programmed stations with and without national programs, I can tell you that all of those factors play into decision making. While each station and market has its own unique challenges, network folks are trying to appeal to hundreds of stations, and they have to make calls based on what has mass appeal.

I felt it’d be helpful to gain an understanding of how some top national shows think and operate, and what their challenges are in creating a program that delivers content for the masses, but depends on distribution from local radio stations.

Each of these guys I’ve had the privilege of knowing for quite some time, and they’ve all had experience working with multiple high profile shows and personalities. They’re very good at what they do, and I believe you’ll gain some insight from their feedback below.

  • Ray Necci – Multi-Platform Content Program Director at ESPN Radio – Also produced Mike and Mike, Tony Kornheiser, Dan Patrick, SVP & Russillo, and many other ESPN Radio shows during his sixteen year tenure with the network.
  • Jon Goulet – Producer of “The Herd” with Colin Cowherd on FS1 and Fox Sports Radio – Previously worked with Colin at ESPN Radio plus served as Executive Producer of 95.7 The Game in San Francisco.
  • Rob “Stats” GuerreraProducer of “Pro Football Talk LIVE with Mike Florio” on NBC Sports Radio – Also served as Producer of “The Erik Kuselias Show” for NBC Sports Radio and spent close to seven years at ESPN Radio, including working with Mike and Mike.

What is the most fun part of producing a national sports talk show?

Goulet: I think it’s working with some of the most talented people in the industry. Host, producers, production people and management. They’re all people who bring incredible experience and talent to the show. It makes the show great and allows me to learn from them.

statsGuerrera: The most fun part of producing a national show is the chance to shape the national conversation about the stories of the day. That isn’t to say that local shows don’t do that as well, but the bigger platform gives national shows a better chance to do that more consistently. I also like the freedom to discuss a wider range of topics rather than being obligated to concentrate on what is going on in any particular area of the country.

Necci: The variety. You’ve got the entire world of sports to choose from, and it’s almost impossible to get bored.

What goes into producing your show each day and how many hours do you spend on it?

Guerrera: Nothing takes up a bigger portion of my day than communication. My host, Mike Florio, broadcasts from his home studio in West Virginia, so it’s like we’re doing a remote broadcast every day. Mike is also working on his website, ProFootballTalk.com, during the day, so we have to make the extra effort to make sure we’re on the same page for the day’s show.

Apart from that, for me it’s topic development. There’s nothing else more important. What are the angles to a story? How does it impact other people? What questions should we be asking the people in power? How does this mesh with what happened or what was said before? Our biggest determinate of success will always be how many people we can get on the end of that line, and how long we can keep them there. Compelling topics are how we do that.

necci3Necci: Putting an amount of time into producing a national show is almost impossible to answer. Part of this depends on the size of the staff involved. Working with Tony Kornheiser, there were two of us on the production team working on topic generation, production, bits, guest booking, sales obligations, etc. Working with Mike & Mike, we have more resources, but also many more obligations. Personally, I believe that you’re always working in some way towards the show. Whether it’s directly related to sports or if it’s elements of your life that could make good conversation on-air, you always have to keep the show in mind.

Most recently with Mike & Mike, I would be in the office 8-10 hours a day. This included prep, show execution, post show meetings, sales obligations, and preparation for future shows. Then in the afternoon/evening, everyone involved with the show would start exchanging guest ideas, stories and possible topics. This continued into the night as games were played. The specific responsibilities are divided between the producer, AP, PA, booker, etc. but it’s the responsibility of the producer to make sure everyone is meeting expectations.

Goulet: My main focus on The Herd is content. Since making the move to FOX, we have a much larger staff so I don’t have to worry about social media or promos. For the three hours leading up to the show I’m more of a writer than anything else. While I do produce some bits, cut audio, get music and do some podcasting, most of my time is focused on content.

How do you determine if a topic has broad enough appeal to a nationwide audience?

Necci: We usually start with what interests the hosts and the people on the show. Your passion will come across, and if your audience knows you’re interested, they may be willing to come along for the ride on something that doesn’t directly play in their backyard. There is also consideration placed on our key markets, and if you’re truly a national show, then that means being aware of the news in major cities across the different timezones.

goulet3Goulet: The key is to find things that involve macro issues or teams. Things like major college football, the NFL, or LeBron work wherever you are. In the end it still comes down to how passionate your host is about a topic. If that passion involves something smaller or a less popular team, then we need to broaden that topic out so other fans can relate to it.

Guerrera: To me, there aren’t two separate categories of stories. Most of the time I don’t ask if a topic is broad enough for a national audience. I ask, “How do we make this topic broad enough for a national audience”? I have the luxury of working on an NFL show, which makes this part of the job easier. Fantasy football makes almost anything we do relevant nationally. Odell Beckham Jr.’s health last week wouldn’t have played outside of NY and Philadelphia years ago, but now it’s of great national interest because he’s on fantasy teams from sea to shining sea. That doesn’t mean we spend an entire segment on it, but it does mean the rules are a little different for us.

When creating the rundown for your show, how much of a focus do you place on targeting material that will appeal to your larger markets?

Goulet: It plays a big factor in determining what we discuss. Los Angeles is our biggest affiliate so we will look to find topics that appeal to that audience. You can’t force it though. If nothing is happening in a market you can’t pretend that it’s compelling.

Guerrera: Because we’re less than a year old, our markets are changing a lot throughout the the year. Right now my goal is to always appeal to the broadest part of the audience. If those stories interest the bigger markets, great, but I won’t force feed anything because it wouldn’t be authentic. A wise man once told me, you can’t out-local the locals.

necci2Necci: I like to think it’s something we consider, but we don’t let dictate our content. When the Mets & Cubs faced off in the NLCS, we may have slightly increased the time spent talking baseball, but the action on the field needs to be compelling. A better example may be when the Rangers & Kings met in the Stanley Cup Final. We don’t spend much time on the NHL during the long regular season, but when it’s important for our affiliates and the stakes are raised, we incorporate it into our plans. If there’s a conversation you plan to hit once and it involves the West Coast, we may try to do it later in the show to reach the most people. Also, as with most national shows, not every market takes the full four hour show, so that’s also something to consider.

As it pertains to the creative process, who makes the final decision on what will be discussed and when?

Guerrera: Most of the time, what your talent is interested in is what’s good for the show. People respond to genuine passion. That said, if they’re really in love with a topic that’s out there, the producer must step in. You have to explain why doing, or not doing, a certain topic is good for the audience, and ultimately, good for the show. The hardest thing to get talent to buy into is submission to the listeners. We don’t do the show for our bosses, or our friends in the industry, and especially not for ourselves. We do it for the audience. When you put them first, the rest is easy.

Necci: I’m sure this is very different for every show. If a host’s name is on the show, they obviously feel that they’re putting themselves out there and should have the last word in the process. The most successful shows make those decisions together. I don’t believe in forcing a talent to discuss a topic, because that almost always comes across in the presentation, but there are times when you ask them to trust you and recognize your reasoning. Building that trust is essential. It takes time and often means taking risks. Every time you’re right, you take on more of the responsibility. Equally, when you’re wrong, you have to take the blame, and understand that the next time will be a bigger challenge.

gouletGoulet: Colin will always have final say on topics. He’s very open to suggestions and ideas, but in the end he’s the one who is doing them on the air. He is unique in that he doesn’t have teams of his own that he ends up circling back to, so we don’t have to try and steer him away from topics. He is generally interested in what the majority of the audience is interested in.

With television heavily involved in the reach, branding, and strategy of most programs and personalities, how do you separate what will be best for the radio show vs. what’s best for TV? When conflicts arise, how do you settle them?

Necci: In the past, the simulcasts I worked with were radio content first and TV followed along as much as they were able to. With Mike & Mike, we have made a major transition over the last 18 months towards merging the presentation. This is probably best reflected in my current position, Multi-Platform Content Director. With everything we do, we consider how it will play on all formats. We’ve increased communication, look to merge resources, and try to evolve the daily process to improve the overall brand. Obviously, that means compromise and not everyone involved will be thrilled by the decisions made, but we’re all working towards the same goal.

Goulet: As a radio producer I have to focus on radio. While I’ll make suggestions for TV or try and help with ideas, its not my main focus. There is an entire staff of more qualified people for that. Colin considers his show a radio show first, so radio always has the priority. I look at the TV side as a great way to reach other people. Since our show is new to FOX, we don’t have as many affiliates, so FS1 provides a great way for people in other markets to hear us.

stats2Guerrera: My host has both a popular website and a TV show on NBCSN, so he is definitely stretched pretty thin. I am lucky that most of the content translates across platforms fairly easily. If I start to notice that his focus is taking him too far away from radio, I have always found the best thing to do is have an honest conversation about it. I make sure to offer up a couple of different things that I can do to make radio easier, but it’s important to let your talent know when they need concentrate on the task at hand.

How difficult is it to measure the success of the show when certain local markets respond strongly and others don’t?

Goulet: The best way to figure out if your show is working is if you think it sounds good. On a national show there is no definitive rating that tells you everything. If we talk Lakers our ratings will go up in LA, but might go down in Portland because Blazer fans don’t like the Lakers. If we know the show sounds good, has interesting topics, and is getting a reaction, then that means we’re doing something right. The numbers we get are more indicative of the fundamentals like teasing and clock management.

Guerrera: Our show is so new (less than a year old) that we’re focusing on ourselves more right now. Are we doing things the right way? That said, I do try and check in with the PDs at the bigger stations at least once a month to get their take on the show. I’m always looking for smart people that disagree with me.

necci4Necci: This is obviously difficult because every affiliate you work with (understandably) is only worried about their most recent results. I’ve worked on national shows in the past where one hour in a key market dictated success or failure. It’s infuriating and insane. Few Program Directors are willing to invest time in growing an audience locally for a national show.

Currently we mark our progress with overall impressions. How are we doing on terrestrial radio, television, and various digital medias. I’m still very interested in how we’re doing in individual markets, and want to help and try to assist when I can (communication, localization, TSL contests, affiliate calls, etc.), but the success of a program shouldn’t be decided by a guy who goes on vacation for a week or two and turns off his meter.

How big of a role do guests play in the daily creation of your show? Why is your strategy with guests set up the way that it is?

Guerrera: We operate under a very simple guest philosophy: Having no guest is better than a bad guest, or a guest for guest’s sake. Anyone we bring on has to add something to the conversation. If all they are is simply another person to talk to about a particular topic, you’re wasting everyone’s time.

Necci: I think guests are important for our show because people have come to expect “the biggest names” on ESPN and specifically Mike & Mike. That said, you should always be prepared to do a show with no guests, and many of the best/funniest/compelling moments come directly from the hosts. With our reach, and with the respect our hosts have earned, we offer a unique platform.

goulet2Goulet: Guests are an important part of the show. Because we’re national that means bigger name guests are willing to come on. That also raises the bar. We have to think big when we book people because they have to appeal to a national audience. Local writers or analysts don’t always work nationally because rarely do we talk about just one team. In the end guests are still only 25% of a show.

Why do most national shows avoid taking calls? Should there be more/less or the same amount of caller interaction in shows going forward?

Necci: There isn’t one answer here. I’ve always wanted to avoid “opening up the phones” and turning the show over to the audience. To me, it feels lazy. Speaking in a very general sense, I think many feel that they’re paying a national host, and expect him to carry a segment without needing to rack a scripted 3-minute take.

I do though appreciate the value in well screened calls on a specific topic. When I worked with Tony Kornheiser, the audience consisted of regular characters/contributors to the show. With SVP & Russillo, we exploited the idea of “open calls” in a feature called “WHAT?!?” and encouraged intelligent chaos. Currently on Mike & Mike, our calls generally come through our “Chatter Line” where we ask a question and play back the best answers.

Goulet: Calls work much better locally than nationally. They’re great during controversy or a huge news story, but other than that they should be used sparingly. Nationally there are more topics to get into which means we don’t have to drag things out and we can just move on to other topics. I think callers from local markets get defensive about their teams when a national host criticizes them. This apparently causes them to call hosts morons, explain how little they know, and then scream “roll tide”.

stats4Guerrera: Calls are like umpires: You only notice the bad ones. Even if the person screening them does everything right, the caller could still be terrible on the air. More than that, though, when sports talk radio began phone calls were how we interacted with people who weren’t in the same room. Now, with Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, texts, etc., that isn’t the case anymore. We can interact faster and with more people now than we ever could over the phone. Basically, today’s technology has made calls obsolete.

From where you sit, what can local stations do better to make a national program a heavier part of the radio station’s identity? What can your talent do better to make sure local stations succeed?

Goulet: Locals need to treat national programming as an asset not a detriment. They should talk about what the national host said just like they would another local host. Most importantly, don’t cut into national programming when a big local story breaks. A few years ago, “The Herd” got taken off the air in LA when a local team fired a coach. They decided to go with local programming. All that did was tell the audience that Colin wasn’t local. He was covering the story almost wall to wall anyway but nobody in LA heard it.

Guerrera: It takes buy-in from everyone. Stations need to actively make the shows and talent a part of their brand (including their website). The producer has to work with the local PD to create imaging and promos that are authentic to both sides (if you leave that up to the local market you won’t get truly authentic imaging). Finally, the talent has to do their part with liners, customized promos, and even guest appearances on that station’s local shows.

necci5Necci: In general, I don’t think people embrace what they have. Too often, I hear stations (on and off air) talk about their national & local shows. They are ALL your shows. Work with the show unit and the network to increase communication.

Are you willing to work in localization with liners and production? Is there an event that the show should broadcast from? Would calls from the hosts to local shows or important clients help? I’m not saying every national host can do every request, but are you asking those questions?

Also, don’t assume you know a show because you sampled it when it launched several years ago. The best shows are always evolving. The Mike and Mike show you hear now is very different from what the show was 5, 10 or 15 years ago. The Scott Van Pelt Show that grew out of his work with Mike Tirico wasn’t the same show as SVP & Russillo (which was a very different show in its first few years than it was in the final few).  The point is, be open to all your options.

Shaping The Sound of a Great Sports Radio Station

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I’ve written a few times over the past year about the importance of quality imaging and production for sports radio stations, and it’s a subject that I am passionate about and believe deserves attention.

During the past few weeks I’ve had my ear on sports radio stations all across the country. The one thing I hear taking place in multiple places (that I’m not sure is necessarily a good thing) is a lack of creativity and simplification of messaging. Promos, ID’s and liners which include actualities, funny clips, and big sounds are being reduced in favor of simple short pieces with little activity behind them.

I understand that there are certain expectations for particular brands, and there’s value in keeping things simple. I’m not here to tell you that following the rules and reinforcing a brand’s identity doesn’t have its place. It certainly does. But does that mean that we can’t attempt to find newer ways to add some flavor and create additional excitement for our brands?

In a time where audio consumption is more splintered than ever, and numerous media brands are taking risks to attract larger audiences, is the answer to building bonds with an audience to stifle the creativity of some radio’s best thinkers?

One of the most overlooked and undervalued positions in sports radio is the Imaging Director. A good one can bring an energy to your brand that connects with your talent and audience. A bad one can absolutely crush you and make your brand feel old, stale, and unimportant. Find yourself a great one, and your audience will be speaking the language of the brand without even recognizing it.

If I’ve learned one thing from running brands, conducting research, and interacting with listeners, it’s that great imaging does connect. Sports is fun, and anytime you’re not in content, and have a chance to re-establish that power of fun, it’s important to do so.

As a programmer, I always believed that it was my responsibility to foster an environment which allowed people to be creative. Developing a relationship and understanding with the Imaging Director is critical, because the way they bring the brand to life through your speakers is going to be a reflection of the way you communicate your vision to them.

Let’s be honest, people who work in this industry don’t do it because of the fame and fortune it provides. Sure there are some personalities who are the exception to the rule, but most of the supporting cast behind the scenes choose this line of work because they love it, connect to it, and appreciate the opportunity to have a platform which allows them to showcase their creativity. They walk through the door each day hoping to create something that inspires people, and when it registers with the audience, that’s the cherry on top of the sundae.

The beauty of imaging is that there are no set guidelines for how to do it. We all have opinions about what we perceive to be cool and effective, but what I think we can all agree on is that there’s a stronger chance of an audience remembering your brand, and forming an emotional bond with it, if you make the station sound fun, alive and creative, instead of plain and simple.

It’s a grind sometimes to manage a brand, run a show, and give time and attention to each department, but as challenging as it may be, spending time on your writing, presentation, and which items to highlight, is too important to dismiss. When done right, it can grow your ratings. Done poorly, it can damage your growth.

We lose sight at times of the amount of influence we have on the audience. If you can make a listener think and feel a certain way about your brand and personalities, they’ll remember it and store it deep inside their subconscious. If there’s no call to action beyond reinforcing the radio station’s dial position, brand name, and slogan, then you’re less likely to receive the extra benefits that are available.

As far as promos are concerned, there are many different categories you can use to resonate with your listeners. Some of those options include:

  • Appointment promos (pieces that highlight when a guest or feature can be heard)
  • Topical promos (pieces that promote content/storylines being discussed on the station)
  • Play-By-Play promos (pieces that promote/sell the next local/national game on your air)
  • Talent/Show promos (pieces from the talent/show that promote when the program airs)
  • Branding promos (pieces that reinforce the brand & why it’s unique in a fun/serious way)

There are other categories too but the ones listed above usually get the most attention.

What you choose to feature most, depends on what your station’s best assets are, and what connects to the vision for the brand. If you don’t carry play by play for example, then game promos are going to be less important. Instead you’ll be more inclined to push your on-air talent, brand identity, station events, and the other offerings your station provides.

If your station though has the rights to three or four sports teams, you’re going to likely drive that messaging home because live play by play delivers strong ratings and a positive brand association, and it’d be silly not to take advantage of it.

I could spend all day explaining the value of imaging, and how it can benefit a radio station, but rather than listen to me pontificate, I thought it’d be helpful to get the perspectives of a few great Imaging Directors. Each of these guys has had a direct influence on brands that operate in Top 5 markets, and some of their work can be heard nationally too.

  • Dan Levy – Imaging Director of 89 WLS in Chicago
  • Mike Brownsher – Imaging Director of ESPN New York 98.7FM
  • Jeff Schmidt – Imaging Director of 95.7 The Game and 98.5 K-FOX in San Francisco
  • Chris Morales – VP/Head of Creative & Imaging for Yahoo Sports Radio. Imaging and Creative consulting for KSPN/Los Angeles, KFNC/Houston & KGOW, KKFN/Denver, KHTK/Sacramento.

Q: How important do you believe it is to be a great writer in order to be a great imaging/production director?

jeffschmidt2 Schmidt: The best imaging directors are a​ triple threat; great writers, producers and VO actor/artists. Writing is vital but it also comes down to what we’re writing about. If we’re promoting crap, great writing is little more than a disguise, and listeners will sniff it out and repay us with indifference.

Brownsher: It’s certainly important, but it’s not the end all be all, and it doesn’t mean your stuff will sound great if you are a great writer. We’re in the audio business. You still need to make sure your stuff SOUNDS great. If you’re not the best writer (I certainly don’t think I am), find other people on the floor, and get them to help with the process. The product will be better for it.

danlevy1Levy: Writing is 90% of the job. You can’t do production without a clear and concise way of communicating your message. With production, it’s commercials and marketing. With imaging, it’s about the station brand and marketing.  So, being a great writer and knowing your audience, it all plays hand and hand.

Morales: In today’s busy world, often being a “great writer” means being an impactful writer who can make the message cut through with a “less is more” approach. Also, us radio people have a tendency of trying to be too cute at times, without really defining what the singular message is for a piece of imaging/production. We need to ask ourselves “would a listener really get what we are saying“?

Q: How do you keep your personal interests and personality/style in line with the brand’s approach when creating liners and promo material?

mikebrownsher1Brownsher: For me, it’s been fairly easy to align with the ESPN brand. I’ve been listening to ESPN Radio roughly since its inception, so that has helped. When I started in New York, I assumed I’d be able to be edgier with my writing in our promos but that wasn’t the case. I had to remember that there was a much larger audience listening to ESPN New York as compared to where I had worked before. That meant I had to check myself a bit and figure out how to best reflect the brand.

Levy: It always helps to try and get a job that matches your style and your personality. I know in real life, it’s not always the case to be able to pick a station that can do that (we often take the gigs we can get) but knowing your boss, sharing similar philosophies and an understanding of where they are coming from, makes it easier to find a way to connect with the listener, both emotionally and creatively.

chrismorales4Morales: Sports Radio is the big tent of all that encompasses a guy’s life. Creating a brand is all about creating the fun and sizzle around the “Sports Radio” base. If you have talent that doesn’t embrace movies/music/tv/pop culture on the air, then it is hard pressed to create imaging and branding that involves your personality/style because most great imagers live and breathe anything creative. I think so many imagers out there sometimes want to force their passions into imaging because it is their opportunity to “be on air”.

Much like in a music format, imaging is made to make the station sound hotter than what it is and create a brand that encompases the full presentation of the station. We have to think the same in sports radio. This is a format, not sports. We are here to make our talent shine and seem bigger than life, which means it is vital to know their personal interests, their style, music, etc. That creates imaging that they will play off of when doing show opens, rejoins, etc. The station imaging/branding then needs to be a collection of the talent’s image. Imaging to sports or PBP can be useful but does that really create an image that carries your M-F 6a-7p brand?

Schmidt: In 20 years of radio imaging, the best circumstances have always been a collaboration with programming where we set the course and tone of the stationality. Often times it falls in line with my personal tastes which are fairly broad, but it’s always about making sure the imaging serves the needs of That Station, in That Market, at That Time.

Q: When you’re writing a promo, what is it that you’re hoping it does for the audience?

danlevy4Levy: Anytime I produce something, I look to execute 3 basic elements.

A) Connect with the listener. Each market, area and region you’re in, connect with them. If it’s crappy weather, use it to relate. If you’re in a big city, use things  that people feel such as frustrations with bikers, cabbies, sports teams and things of that nature. That’s the best way to get your listener to perk up and pay attention.

B) Make sure your message has a call to action. If it’s a spot, you want people to get up and buy that car or drink that beer. For imaging, you want them to stay tuned to a certain show, sporting event, download an app or whatever you are promoting for the station.

C) Let them know where they heard it. Make sure the brand is highlighted so people know exactly what it is and how to get more of it.

Morales: Make the listener feel something. Maybe it’s emotion for a piece about “living and breathing the NFL” with highlights, game sound, and NFL Films music. Maybe it’s laughter from a montage promo of the talent being off the wall. Maybe it’s anger from people talking about a loss from last night. The key is for that promo to pull them in, and make them engage for a moment, and feel something.

jeffschmidt1Schmidt: Some promos are really just announcements in which you want to make sure a piece of information is clearly communicated.​ ​If you want listeners to take a specific action it’s best to keep it as clear, clean and concise as possible.

Other pieces are about image building, and this is where I hope to draw on the emotional connection fans already have with their team/players/hosts etc. Those emotions are available and transferable to your brand if you’re careful and respectful with it.

Brownsher: I go into writing/producing promos assuming that the listener isn’t going to listen or hear it. People are busy and doing things when listening to radio, so my hope is that I’ll actually grab them and create some type of emotional connection to the promo.

Q: How do you decide what type of music, actualities and SFX to use in your imaging, promos, liners, etc.? Is it more in line with the audience’s tastes or your own?

chrismorales3Morales: I’m a big user of music. Sometimes spanning multiple genres, but using it to tell the story that I’m trying to accomplish. Andrew Ashwood, my mentor at FOX Sports Radio, used to call imaging the blank canvas, and the music, drops, effects, VO, highlights, were the paint strokes of colors making the final work of art.

Every piece is different. Some can be quick with multiple SFX from a library like Alien Imaging FX, that is fast moving and sounds like something from a CHR/Rock station. Then another promo can have just a song and VO, depending on the message. I love NFL Game sound. When I started 12 years ago, you could only find it on Inside the NFL every week. Now, NFL Network has Sound FX and makes it easy. That behind the scenes audio is full of passion and energy which helps bring a football promo to life. I try to work in my own tastes, but I think about the audience at every step. A piece of music may be great for a promo just for LA, but may not be cool for the network or in a different market.

Schmidt: I employ what I’ve come to call the Sonic Pallet. It’s setting a ​range of sound styles that are IN and sound styles that are OUT in terms of defining a sonic signature for the radio station. It morphs and evolves over time, but it’s a guide. It’s easiest to do when launching stations because you can start from scratch, but I also do it with re-brands and re-builds too.

Regarding taste, I do believe we have an obligation to​ reflect the general taste of our audience, but this does not relieve us of our responsibly to smartly lead the audience forward to show them what else is possible. Our tastes should be wider than the general audience, not to be above them, but to use as​ a source of​inspiration ​for ​generating new ideas, and to get a sense of what the audience will consider cool and mainstream 12 months from now.

mikebrownsher2Brownsher: I think the mood and feel is one of the more important things to decide upon when creating promos. I’ll ask myself a couple of different questions such as “What kind of feeling am I trying to elicit with this bed” or “Does this sound byte actually further the story.” I try and assess the reasons why I’m taking a particular approach.

Generally speaking, I can do what I like with respect to the audience’s tastes, and I’m right in the middle of the ESPN Radio demo, so the work I’m producing doesn’t feel like much of a stretch. However, New York City is a rather diverse market, so I’m always conscious of the many different demos we have that are listening.

Levy: This always goes back to what the station is. If it’s a Rock, Top 40 or a Sports station, you can have a lot more fun in terms of getting crazy with SFX and highlights. Newstalk and hard hitting stations use less SFX and more substance. Whatever your station is, you have to know the audience you’re playing to. Especially if it’s a heritage station. Those brands usually require more thought because you have to know how to get your message across creatively, while staying inside the boundary of your station’s standards. That said, there are ways to throw yourself into it no matter what format you’re working on.

For my AM station, they let me have fun, and be creative, because they know that I’m aware of the station’s heritage, and what the audience expects. If I’m doing a sports promo, that comes easy because I’m a sports nut, and my radio background is rich in sports. I’ll set things up with music, SFX, and highlights, and I know how to build it before I even write the copy. For talk shows, if I’m producing a promo, I like to choose the music according to the subject matter.  That’s a good way to put your stamp on something without having to go all out.

Q: How can you tell if your imaging/production is or isn’t connecting with the audience?

jeffschmidt3Schmidt: I’ve been fortunate over the years to be in a lot of research and perceptual meetings where you’ll hear your station’s slogan repeated back. While a lot of people pat themselves on the back for that, I’ve always believed that’s table stakes considering you repeat the slogan on-air thousands of times. I’m much more interested in hearing if certain campaigns and ideas generated a response or an emotional connection/reaction. But that is a very expensive and time-consuming way to get feedback.

You can also get feedback on social media. I have always believed in making sure at least some of the imaging I create is such that it could be shared by the audience on social platforms. That means it has to get out of a “Just The Facts” approach and try to connect with the audience emotionally, and this almost always means the imaging can’t just be about your radio station.

Levy: The beauty of being an imaging guy is that my work is catered to my boss. He sets the tone for the station and the audience. If I create something and he doesn’t get it, I know that I have to go back and fix what needs fixing. Like anything else, after a month of doing stuff for the boss, you’ll know what they like, and that allows you to create production that is in line with what they want on the radio station.

chrismorales2Morales: In network radio, often the imaging is mainly show opens and rejoins, so you’ll hear a caller or see a tweet that references the imaging. They may not know what to call it, but over the years I’ve heard a lot of “we love that thing that brings on the host and recaps the previous show” or they talk about a certain drop, music, or VO phrase. Sean Pendergast of KILT/Houston (used to be with us at Gow/YSR) used to call it the WWE entrance music effect. My imaging helped set the stage and pump him up to come out and perform.

In my years with the Tony Bruno Morning Show at FOX, my goal was to make Tony laugh every morning with the open. If he was pumped up and laughing out of the gate, and referenced the open and imaging, then I knew it connected with the audience.

On a local level, it sometimes is a little more challenging because a lot of the work is station related branding/promos. But hearing callers reference “you guys have that thing saying you’re #1 in LA, that thing they are talking about is the imaging. When you hear that, you know your work is cutting through.

Brownsher: That’s a really tough one. I’m honestly not sure if you can or can’t. Obviously feedback is great, but this has always been an areas that’s been tough for me to gauge.

Q: Do you find listeners more likely to consume shorter or longer promos, and why?

mikebrownsher3Brownsher: I think the shorter the better. If you think a listener is going to sit and consume your promos, that’s not accurate. I especially hate laundry list promos and when I hear them I wonder what the station is trying to accomplish. “We got all this stuff that we wanna tell you about and we know you’re gonna sit here and listen to it and then remember it.” Nonsense! Make it short and impactful.

Schmidt: Obviously with PPM you want to keep everything moving so in general you have to respect that by making your point at concisely as possible. But you have to be able to spot the exceptions, such as when the local team​s are in the news, the playoffs, etc. You want to express, reflect and draw on your listeners increased passion in those times even if it goes over :30 seconds! In the past I’ve created the on-air cut down version and the theatrical release version for online.

danlevy3Levy: This is one that changes like the weather. I don’t think any promo should be longer than 45-60 seconds. I believe any promo can be funny, creative, connect with the audience, and get your point across within 25 seconds or less. In my opinion, that’s all I think listeners can take when hearing any form of creative production. The more time you add to a promo, the more likely people get bored or tune out. Short and concise is the ideal marker.

Morales: When PPM was still relatively new, Craig Larson (YSR PD and Gow Houston) said something very wise when I was referencing another station’s concerns that I had been working with. They were worried about promos being too long. Craig looked at me and said, “If it’s 15 seconds and garbage, then it’s garbage. If it’s 60 seconds and amazing, then isn’t that the goal, to have amazing imaging”?

I’ve been fortunate to be blessed with PD’s like Mike Thompson and Nate Lundy who have my back when I get a little long in painting the picture of what we’re striving for. The ratings and results back up that having a long promo doesn’t hurt the station. I think we need to concentrate on listeners consuming “GREAT” promo messaging that builds an image, sells the station and its personalities, and creates theater of the mind. THAT is what makes imaging part of the magic of radio.

Q: What type of promos do you feel connect best with the audience, and why? (Ex: Appointment promos, Funny bits, straight forward brand builders/slogans, play by play/game promos, etc)

jeffschmidt4Schmidt: If a listener hears a dry liner over a music bed saying a big guest is coming up in 10 minutes and they remember to check back in, did that connect? PPM says yes. But let’s not forget that “Connect” also means an emotional connection that could deepen a listeners bond with your radio station.

I think station imaging not only has the opportunity but the responsibility to deliver on both fronts. How you do that should be specific to the needs and wants of your listeners, ​and station.

Morales: I think you have to offer a few different categories in today’s PPM infested world. We know we want cume recylclers, appointment builders, guests, PBP game promos, and those are vital depending on the station and it’s presentation. But, I love “imagers” centered around the talent and the message of the station. I think of them like beat mix/hook promos for a music station. A promo that is a collection of talent drops, with a great music mix, etc. sounds fun and cool, and they differentiate our format from the political spoken word world.

They can also really sparkle amongst the other straight forward imaging we do on the station. To the listener, it makes their choice of our station resonate as a good one in their heads and minds. Who doesn’t want to feel like they’ve made the right choice in something? We want to image that their “fraternity” is our station’s performers.

brown2Brownsher: I believe it’s probably a combination of all of the above. I do value appointment guest promos if the guest is a really good one, or highly topical. I’m not much of a funny bit producer for promos in stopsets, but I do think they can add some value during the actual shows. We carry a lot of play-by-play on the station so we do our fair show of game promos and try to make them feel like a big deal.

Levy: The station itself dictates what promo’s connect best with the audience. The AM station that I image for, we have a lot happening at once. We have HUGE on-air talents hosting shows during the day. We also have Notre Dame football, and now we will be carrying the Chicago White Sox and Chicago Bulls starting next year. The promos I create are catered to the audiences of each of those elements.

Q: When you listen to the imaging/production of other sports stations around the country, what do you hear them doing well, and where do they miss opportunities?

chrismorales1Morales: I hear many pushing the envelope these days with creative writing that makes the station sizzle and seem more edgy than what it may really be. For a format growing rapidly into M18-34, and FM sticks, we want to image being the best MALE station, not just the best sports station. We want to compete with top 5 M25-54 music stations, not just be the #1 sports talker. It’s awesome to hear stations that can capture this.

Where many miss the opportunity, is because they still view our format as something that needs to be imaged simple. A dry liner from Jim Cutler, that is thrown over a bed coming back from break. It’s sad. Cutler is one of the best VO people on this planet, so why would you waste his read? Why would you waste the listener’s time?

This is the old mindset that sports radio is the format that will never get past a 0.5 in the market, and it’s just turn key and all about sports. Sometimes this happens because a station doesn’t have an imaging person or if there is one, they’re stretched inside the cluster. It also starts with the PD. If they don’t care about imaging, then why would their production person? When Dave Shore was the OM of KSPN, he could literally recite every on-air promo back to me. If he didn’t like something, I would get a text at all hours. He understood the importance of imaging, and was as passionate about how the station sounded as I was. That is vital.

Schmidt: In general, great stations take advantage of the fact that imaging has the unique opportunity of being totally pre-planned, where the exact script, actors, music, and sound effects can all be ​used ​in full force to create something powerful.

On the missed opportunity side I perceive a calcification in Sports Radio Imaging where “the way it’s done” has already been decided (by whom?) and is senselessly copied. From both revenue and unique programming perspectives, Sports Radio has major advantages that Music Radio doesn’t have, but it isn’t immune from ​becoming​ what U.S. AM Talk Radio has devolved ​in​to if it stops innovating and just keeps repeating itself.

brown3Brownsher: I’m always impressed when stations are doing very directed specific promos that point to something. Whether they are topicals or teasing to something that’s coming up. In my opinion, it means they’re thinking about what they’re putting on the air and trying to make it easy for the listener.

The opposite would be stations that run promos saying “look at us and how great we are” or “here’s a laundry list of what we’re doing”. The other ones that I reject are giant fluff pieces that don’t push me towards anything and are just taking up inventory.

Levy: Sports radio all across the country is at an awesome level. There are so many great shows and talents that are being featured. I’m a sucker for show promos. I always hone in on how a station market’s and brand’s their lineup, and how long they go with their promos.

Are they only giving me the funny stuff? Are they giving me guys who try to ram stats down my throat? Are the promos providing a great blend of all of those attributes? Most importantly, if they’re making a long show promo, the build up to the ending better pay off. If it doesn’t, my ears will tune out their future promos.

Q: Why is good production, messaging, and branding important for a sports radio station?

danlevy2Levy: Because sports radio is huge and outlets are everywhere (the internet, social media, sports alerts on my phone). A radio station needs to find a way to separate themselves from this massive pack.

The message that you brand yourself with is the one that listeners will identify you as. Are you the station that is the home for a certain team? Are you the station to turn to and vent your frustrations to after the big game or big sports story of the day? Great imaging and production is essential to building the brand, and that includes on-air, marketing, and the sales side too.

Brownsher: People ultimately come to the radio station because of the personalities. If I can be an effective extension of that and remind them though our promos and messaging of their importance, then maybe it helps them enjoy the experience more. If they enjoy the station and the way it makes them feel, it should help with getting them to listen more.

JeffSchmidt: I’ve been fortunate to be involved in some iconic brands and was able to see first hand how powerful that can be. The best stations are more than the sum of their parts. They have a distinct stationality that ties it all together. If done correctly, it can deepen a fan’s connection to the brand.

Morales: Imaging and good messaging is vital in helping build your P1’s and TSL. It reaffirms that the listener has made the right choice, and that we want them to spend more time with us, showing them the menu of the station and hosts, making them laugh, smile, mad, essentially feeling something.

Think of the legendary “This is Sports Center” promos. It created an amazing brand and image, and made us feel part of something that was on our TV’s every day, even though we weren’t in Bristol. That’s why it matters.

Q: What advice do you want to pass along to other Imaging Directors, Programmers, and Industry professionals who are looking to upgrade the sound and quality of their brands thru good imaging and production?

chrismMorales: Try new something new each week. John Frost said that to me many years ago. Whether a new VO effect, type of music in a promo, grabbing drops from a source you normally wouldn’t go to, etc. Stay fresh. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it’s a colossal failure, but you’ve got to keep sharpening your skills. Listen to as much imaging from others out there as you can. I’ve done sports radio imaging for 13 years, and it may sound cliché but I learn something new every week from listening to the imaging of others.

Also, ask for help and advice. When I was FSR’s imaging director, Bob Schmidt was imaging the Clear Channel affiliate in Syracuse, WHEN. He’d email me every week for drops of Tony Bruno and our talent, and send me his stuff. He was passionate and lived and breathed the talent on his station. He’s now in LA at KLAC, and doing some great work across the country.

His right hand man, is my former right hand man, Vito Violante. Vito was young and new when he started with me, but was hungry and worked his ass off to learn. We came up with ideas, and different approaches, and I bounced stuff off of him and our team daily because I wanted ideas and feedback. He’d be the first to come in with a new DVD to pull drops, or find different songs we could use.

To be a great imaging director you need to listen to feedback, and make the talent, producers, and interns all feel part of the imaging process.

Schmidt: Reach out. I’m happy to help! Seriously, we would all be better served by sharing thoughts and ideas and helping each other develop new ideas. It’s far too easy to sit in our offices and studios doing the same things today that we did yesterday. That’s how stations, brands and formats stagnate.

Additionally, when I got to San Francisco in 1997 I was immediately ushered into regular research and perceptual meetings and it changed how I viewed Radio and the role of imaging forever. It made me really appreciate all that goes into creating and maintaining powerful radio brands. It helped me become a more valuable Imaging Director. I encourage every cluster to include their Imaging talent in those essential meetings.

mikebrownsher4Brownsher: Be smart about what you’re putting on the air. Write short, keep your ears open, and remember that no one listens to your work more than the people in your own building (keep that in perspective).

Also, don’t waste the listener’s time by patting yourself on the back. Music selection is incredibly important, and can’t be overstated in my opinion. Most of all, try to make the listener feel something.

Levy: Don’t ever be afraid to go outside the box. Great imaging/production talents are everywhere. Maybe an alternative imaging guy is exactly what the sports station needs. Separate yourself from those sports stations that beat their chests and say they’re number 1 at everything. Add some splashes that simply make your station sound good!

Remember, sports is fun, not hard hitting. You’re not breaking down the presidential debate or reporting on ISIS. That said, not everything needs to be funny. If it calls for it, great. Know the audience and keep in mind that we are all competing against video and the internet. So great audio, content and especially production, are essential to gaining back that audience.