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Cumulus Media Injunction Against Nielsen Lifted By Federal Court

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A Second Circuit judge in the U.S. Court of Appeals has lifted an injunction against Nielsen from Cumulus Media.

On Tuesday, circuit judges John M. Walker, Barrington D. Parker, and Joseph F. Bianco ruled that the injunction from Cumulus be lifted after originally being granted in December by District Judge Jeannette Vargas.

That injunction being lifted now allows Nielsen to re-enact its policy of joining national ratings with the purchase of local market data, at least temporarily.

Cumulus alleged the practice by Nielsen was anti-competitive. The core of the dispute centered on Nielsen’s September 2024 Network Policy. Cumulus, which owns Westwood One, alleged that Nielsen was using its dominance in national ratings to force broadcasters to purchase local market data they might otherwise source from competitors like Eastlan.

Cumulus argued this constituted an illegal “tying” arrangement in violation of Section 2 of the Sherman Antitrust Act. Without the court’s intervention, Cumulus claimed it faced “irreparable harm,” including potential financial ruin and damage to its reputation if it lost access to the Nationwide data essential for its advertising clients. Throughout the proceedings, Nielsen’s legal team pushed back hard, characterizing the lawsuit as a tactical move by a sophisticated company to lower its bills.

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Barrett Media’s Top 20 Major Market Sports Radio Midday Shows of 2025

Barrett Media’s Top 20 series for sports radio has reached the halfway point. Today, the focus shifts to the top 20 Major Market Sports Radio Midday Shows of 2025. Stay tuned to this website, our newsletters and X, FacebookLinkedInTikTok, and/or Instagram to learn the results for the remainder of the series. After the Top 20 series is over, I will record a video discussing the key takeaways from this year’s results. That video will be posted on the Barrett Media YouTube page. Be sure to subscribe to be notified once it’s live.

As you review these results, please remember that they represent the collective feedback shared by our industry voters. Barrett Media does not vote in this process. Our role is to assemble the group, collect the votes, and present the information.

Important Information

#1 – These results are based on 2025’s performance. 2026 changes have no effect on the voting.

#2 – We ask our voters to supply photos and logos to avoid headaches. Some comply, but most don’t. It forces us to spend a lot of time digging for images to highlight everyone. For that reason, there are no photo changes unless it involves a mistake. Thanks in advance for understanding.

#3 – Our Major Market executive panel consists of thirty six (36) program directors and corporate executives from radio’s top broadcasting companies. They include Audacy, iHeart, Cumulus, Beasley, Good Karma Brands, Bonneville, SiriusXM, ESPN Radio, FOX Sports Radio, Radio One, and a bunch of independently owned and operated radio stations. Our voting group is large because we want feedback from every part of the country. We also do that to assure the results don’t favor any one media group.

#4 – The criteria for our voters included the ear test, originality, multi-platform impact, ratings success, clearance (national shows) and industry buzz. Keep in mind, our voters live in different cities, work for different companies, have different tastes, and value certain factors higher than others. This is not a perfect system but it’s one we feel good about using to showcase the industry’s best.

#5 – A total of 41 shows were eligible for voting consideration in the Major Market Sports Radio Midday Shows category.

And the Winner Is…

98.5 The Sports Hub’s Zolak and Bertrand. Congrats to Scott, Marc and their entire crew on the well earned recognition. The win marks the fifth straight year and sixth time overall the show has been voted the best Major Market Sports Radio Midday show.

I want to thank Dylan Barrett for creating the artwork, and each voter who participated in the process. Now without further delay, here are Barrett Media’s Top 20 Major Market Sports Radio Midday Shows of 2025.

Additional Notes:

  • Zolak & Bertrand finished fifty eight (58) points ahead of Brandon Tierney & Sal Licata to score the first-place finish. The 98.5 Sports Hub midday show received a category best ten (10) first place votes, expanding their lead from last year.
  • Spots 21-25 belonged to Papa & Silver, Bump & Stacy, Kevin Sheehan, Polumbus, Hastings & DMac, and Jon Marks.
  • The closest contest saw The Michael Kay Show and Dover & Cecil edge Karsh & Anderson and Cellini & Dimino by three (3) points each.
  • Of the 41 shows to appear on submitted ballots, nine (9) received at least one 1st place vote.

BNM Top 20 of 2025 Remaining Schedule:

  • Thursday February 5 = BM Top 20 Major/Mid Market Sports Radio Afternoon Shows of 2025
  • Friday February 6 = BM Top 20 Major/Mid Market Sports Radio Program Directors of 2025
  • Monday February 9 = BSM Top 20 Major/Mid Market Sports Radio Stations of 2025

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Barrett Media’s Top 20 Sports Radio Mid Market Midday Shows of 2025

Barrett Media’s Top 20 series for sports radio has reached the halfway point. Today, the focus shifts to the top 20 Mid Market Sports Radio Midday Shows of 2025. Stay tuned to this website, our newsletters, X, TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn, and/or Instagram to learn the results for the remainder of the series. After the Top 20 series is over, I will record a video discussing the key takeaways from this year’s results. That video will be posted on the Barrett Media YouTube page. Be sure to subscribe to be notified once it’s live.

As you review these results, please remember that they represent the collective feedback shared by our industry voters. Barrett Media does not vote in this process. Our role is to assemble the group, collect the votes, and present the information.

Important Information

#1 – These results are based on 2025’s performance. 2026 changes have no effect on the voting.

#2 – We ask our voters to supply photos and logos to avoid headaches. Some comply, but most don’t. It forces us to spend a lot of time digging for images to highlight everyone. For that reason, there are no photo changes unless it involves a mistake. Thanks in advance for understanding.

#3 – Our Mid Market executive panel consists of thirty one (31) program directors and corporate executives from radio’s top broadcasting companies. They include Audacy, iHeart, Cumulus, Beasley, Good Karma Brands, Bonneville, SiriusXM, ESPN Radio, FOX Sports Radio, Radio One, and a bunch of independently owned and operated radio stations. Our voting group is large because we want feedback from every part of the country. We also do that to assure the results don’t favor any one media group.

#4 – The criteria for our voters included the ear test, originality, multi-platform impact, ratings success, clearance (national shows) and industry buzz. Keep in mind, our voters live in different cities, work for different companies, have different tastes, and value certain factors higher than others. This is not a perfect system but it’s one we feel good about using to showcase the industry’s best.

#5 – A total of 70 shows were eligible for voting consideration in the Mid Market Sports Radio Midday Shows category.

And the Winner Is…

Kentucky Sports Radio led by Matt Jones. Congrats to the entire KSR crew on returning to the top spot for the first time since 2022. The popular Kentucky based show was ranked #3 in 2024.

I want to thank Dylan Barrett for creating the artwork, and each voter who participated in the process. Now without further delay, here are Barrett Media’s Top 20 Mid Market Sports Radio Midday Shows of 2025.

Additional Notes:

  • Kentucky Sports Radio finished twenty six (26) points ahead of The Really Big Show to claim the first-place victory. KSR snagged the most first-place votes in the category with six (6).
  • Spots 21-25 belonged to Query & Company, Next Man Up w/ Jake Lyman, JT The Brick, Cody & Gold, and Josh & Swain.
  • The closest contest saw The Really Big Show nip Buck Reising by two (2) points for second place.
  • Of the 70 shows to appear on submitted ballots, twelve (12) received at least one first place vote.

BNM Top 20 of 2025 Remaining Schedule:

  • Thursday February 5 = BM Top 20 Major/Mid Market Sports Radio Afternoon Shows of 2025
  • Friday February 6 = BM Top 20 Major/Mid Market Sports Radio Program Directors of 2025
  • Monday February 9 = BSM Top 20 Major/Mid Market Sports Radio Stations of 2025

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How Phillip Lindsay Found a Fresh Identity in Sports Radio at 104.3 The Fan

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The opportunity to play in the NFL is rare. Not everyone makes the cut. Far too often the dream of playing in the league is cut short. Football is not a forgiving game, and success requires a combination of dedication and sacrifice. Phillip Lindsay played in the NFL for his hometown team, the Denver Broncos. Three seasons at Mile High Stadium represented the dream of a lifetime. Unfortunately, time eventually ran out on his NFL career.

“You’re competing with other players around the league that want to take your spot,” said Lindsay. “It’s very cut-throat, but it’s rewarding… Just like anything else you have to devote your life to it.”

The Denver native lived the ultimate NFL dream. Growing up a Broncos fan, he chose to stay close to home and played four seasons for the Colorado Buffaloes. He then signed as an undrafted free agent with the Broncos in 2018 and was living that dream. Several years later, however, Lindsay found himself at a crossroads. Following several stops in the NFL and XFL, he decided it was time to walk away from playing and pursue a future in sports radio.

“It [radio] was a way for me to cope with getting away from football, and being able to talk about the game,” explained Lindsay, who co-hosts The Drive alongside Zach Bye on 104.3 The Fan in Denver. “You’re on the ‘dark side’ now, so it was different for me.”

Finding New Purpose

Lindsay’s decision to leave the NFL did not come easily. He had worked his entire life to reach a dream that remains unattainable for many. After his final season with the XFL’s Seattle Dragons, Lindsay said he was uncertain whether to continue playing anywhere that would have him or finally move on.

“I have my wife and kids. Plus, we were moving back and forth, and my son is getting older. At some point, you have to have stability,” noted Lindsay. “I’m talking to God one night and I gave myself a date. If somebody doesn’t come calling me by this date, then it’s a sign that I need to move on.”

Three days later, Lindsay received his answer. The call came from management at 104.3 The Fan in his hometown of Denver. While he was familiar with the station, he did not know much about its operation. After a few fill-in roles, Lindsay discovered that hosting a radio program was demanding. However, his passion for discussing football resonated on the air and caught the attention of station management.

In September 2023, Lindsay was announced as the new afternoon drive co-host on 104.3 The Fan alongside Bye, who had been elevated from middays with former Denver Bronco Brandon Stokley.

“Once football is done or it’s taken from you, it’s hard to transition and find something that you love to do,” says Lindsay. “In my head, I approached it as this may be my opportunity to shake off my identity as just a football player and see what else I could do in my life. That’s why I decided to take that leap and try radio.”

It Takes A Village

Lindsay’s move from the field to traditional sports radio feels less common today than in previous eras. Increasingly, former athletes gravitate toward podcasts, where they can leverage their playing resumes to generate attention and revenue while controlling their schedules.

For Lindsay, however, the appeal came from learning a craft he grew up listening to, even though he believed the podcast route could have been just as successful.

“I didn’t know how to do this. I grew up listening to radio, but I grew up listening to guys on the radio who have never been in the shoes of an athlete,” explains Lindsay. “Radio is a unique entity that you can only get by just listening. Podcasts are new and flashy, but radio you still have to work at it and abide by the rules of it.”

Following the announcement of his arrival at The Fan, Lindsay hit the ground running. After some early speed bumps during his debut, he credited program director Amanda Brown for helping him improve. Just as players need great coaches, Lindsay found the guidance he needed from Brown after her hire in November 2023.

Brown leaned on her experience guiding high-profile talent at ESPN Los Angeles. Lindsay said Brown connected him with talent coach Gerry Matalon, who spent 27 years at ESPN as a producer. With time, patience, and numerous airchecks, Lindsay began to see and hear the results of his work.

“I started to get confident in understanding what it takes to do radio. You have to have the reps. What can I do to be a better version of myself for my partner,” says Lindsay, comparing aircheck meetings to watching film with coaches. “I’m proud of myself. Definitely not a finished product. There is still work to be done.”

Navigating Criticism

One of Lindsay’s biggest challenges has been learning how to be critical when necessary. His guiding principle focuses on performance rather than the performer. Often, former athletes in sports media are viewed as protectors of the shield, avoiding criticism of former teammates and players.

Lindsay jokes about joining “the dark side” when discussing the balance he continues to navigate.

“When I first started, Jerry Jeudy [former Broncos wide receiver] saw I said something which seemed more like an attack. It caught a bunch of my former teammates off guard, because I’m supposed to be telling their story as well. I could have gotten my point across without feeling I had to belittle somebody,” explained Lindsay. “The players know they aren’t doing their thing… You do it with respect. You don’t just say whatever you want and go from there. To me, that’s not good radio.”

With nearly three years of experience in sports media, Lindsay’s perspective has evolved. While it is no longer simply “the dark side,” he understands the importance of professionalism and approach. Focusing on performance rather than the individual has served him well.

At 31, Lindsay continues adapting to an industry he never expected to enter. Sports radio came calling without warning, but he embraces the opportunity. He values being a guiding voice in the city where he grew up, covering teams he once played for. His roots, family, career, and life remain centered a mile high, with each day focused on preparing for the next.

“I would love to be here and do it as long as I can. I never look at what’s next for me. I’m always in the moment. Be where my feet are,” said Lindsay. “I’m not doing this just for money. That can come and go. Leaving a legacy for my kids is what it’s all about. I want to be one of the best to do it here in Colorado and go from there.”

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Why Sports Radio Brands Are Beginning To Think Twice About Super Bowl Radio Row

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Super Bowl LX radio row in 2026 is a perfect example of the evolution of the concept. What began as a handful of sports radio stations has morphed into a collection of sports radio, media, podcasts, influencers, and sponsored content that often houses the biggest stars of the week. When brands like Bounty and Toyota have larger setups, more mass appeal, and producing content of their own for an unknown audience. It’s fair to question what is radio row all about now and moving forward?

Navigating the row for a second day, one singular conversation kept coming up among most I spoke with, a conversation that typically stays inside station walls back home. Is the trip still worth it? When I spoke with Mike Francesa, who many credit with inventing the concept, he admitted feeling depressed about what radio row has become.

Radio row is not what it once was. No one disputes that. However, for those who make the annual trek, especially when their local team isn’t involved, the cost is reaching a point that many simply can’t justify moving forward.

Super Bowl radio row is about more than what gets produced at the tables. There are opportunities at Super Bowl Opening Night every Monday before the game. Media parties offer the chance to run into familiar faces outside the convention hall. This year also includes the Pro Bowl Games, now held on site at the Super Bowl location.

Another cherry on the Super Bowl sundae.

What’s been missing in recent years is the once-in-a-lifetime access radio brands used to enjoy during Super Bowl week. Too often, radio row features the same familiar rotation of celebrities filling grids and segments across the country. Stations spend months planning guest appearances, often with no guarantees anything meaningful will come together.

103.5 The Fan Radio Row (Barrett Media)
103.5 The Fan Radio Row (Barrett Media)

Even when access is secured, star power is limited. Unless you know the right “runner” or already have a relationship with the celebrity, most stations are shut out. Nearly every guest arrives with something to sell, focused on pushing product to the widest possible audience.

It’s impossible for every celebrity to sit down with every outlet, and many are available for only an hour or two. National brands like SiriusXM, FOX Sports Radio, and ESPN will always receive first priority. Longtime radio row attendees are left with the B-list, the C-list, or no list at all.

That reality explains the premium placed on national brands over local sports radio outlets, even though they operate on the same platforms. Selling the “why” becomes difficult when outcomes are already predetermined by people who don’t understand your individual brand.

So why go?

For stations without a team in the game, the value of radio row is supposed to be twofold. First, it allows stations to put a local spin on the biggest sporting event in the world. Second, it creates opportunities for marquee moments that add prestige to a show and a station.

But for many stations, the shared celebrity of the week has become the only certainty. Another annual conversation with a former athlete, a college prospect, or a reality show contestant. Another segment built around stem-cell research, socks, or a BBQ sauce brand tied to someone your audience might vaguely recognize.

It’s no longer about the people who impact the game, raise excitement, or offer insight into your local franchise.

“It’s just too many people and feeding off the same people. It had lost the spontaneity it once had,” explained Mike Francesa.

Francesa’s words ring true, and they reflect the reality many sports radio brands face. Is the trip worth repeating the same conversations simply to push the same products back home? Is it worth giving away airtime for sponsor messaging that generates no direct revenue for the station?

So again, why go?

San Antonio Star Radio Row (Barrett Media)
San Antonio Star Radio Row (Barrett Media)

The decision comes down to what you can deliver on the air that you can’t already do from your home studio. Results and revenue have to justify the cost. Can you land a guest who moves the meter? Can you create digital content that actually drives engagement rather than just fills space?

When radio row becomes more about filling chairs than creating appointment listening, the value fades. If it’s no longer about producing unique content for your digital audience at the biggest event of the year, the question answers itself.

The event still offers opportunities across multiple platforms. But if access remains the same year after year and costs continue to rise, what’s truly new or exciting?

Radio row didn’t lose its value overnight. It lost its purpose by inches. When the biggest week on the NFL calendar becomes about occupancy instead of moments, the math stops working.

The Super Bowl will always be worth covering. Radio row will always attract brands chasing relevance and visibility. But relevance today isn’t measured by square footage or guest count. It’s measured by impact.

That’s why more sports radio brands are starting to look elsewhere. It’s also why fewer tables appear each year and familiar logos disappear. When opportunity favors big builds and national appeal over loyal local audiences, the question becomes unavoidable.

Does showing up in person still deliver something you can’t do better, cheaper, and more creatively from home?

In the end, radio row isn’t judged by guest lists or social posts. It’s judged by return. If the cost outweighs the content, the access, and the revenue, the conclusion is clear.

Coverage without impact isn’t exposure.

It’s overhead.

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How the Super Bowl Halftime Show Is a Shared Experience for Radio To Capture

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The New England Patriots will square off on Sunday against the Seattle Seahawks in Super Bowl LX. For hundreds of millions of viewers watching, they won’t only be paying attention to the game. There’s also the Super Bowl Halftime Show.

We live an era where music discovery has become so algorithmic-infused, AI-directed, and at times overly personalized. The Super Bowl halftime show might be the last true shared music experience left. Sure, album drops, viral TikTok moments, and more can be popular. That doesn’t necessarily mean they are shared.

The expected 100+ million viewers who will be watching Bad Bunny perform on NBC aren’t tuning in because they necessarily enjoy the Latin reggaeton superstar’s music. They are watching because it is a moment that everyone can collectively share.

Make no mistake about it, the Super Bowl halftime show is still the ultimate next morning, watercooler talk moment. It is something everybody still loves to take part in regardless of the topic. As long as you give them a good enough reason to. Many valuable lessons and opportunities can come from this week for music radio programmers.

With a live music resurgence and a Gen-Z/Millennial-led movement craving more live music experiences, the music broadcast industry should take note of the various ways this year’s halftime show resonates beyond just the live broadcast itself.

Politics aside, Sunday’s halftime show is the perfect opportunity for radio and streaming platforms to be part of the conversation. Not only in the moment but also leading up to it and especially afterwards.

Super Bowl Opportunity

In recent years, the Super Bowl has grown beyond just the game itself. It’s the spectacle involving sports, music, and culture, with the guaranteed delivery of trending moments that channels and platforms can leverage to maintain relevance.

Westwood One made headlines last year when it announced it would be broadcasting the Apple Music Super Bowl Halftime Show live. The result was successful enough that the network will once again air this year’s halftime show with SiriusXM also jumping on board.

Both examples signify that programmers believe the halftime show is important enough to stand on its own as a programming element. If national networks see its value, local music programmers should ask themselves how they can be part of the conversation and the content that comes with it.

Last year’s Halftime Show featuring Kendrick Lamar spiked to 130+ million viewers at one point. Immediately afterward, not only did the rapper’s streaming numbers shoot up, but so did those of similar artists.

The halftime show buzz surrounding it allows casual listeners to engage with the music while becoming more active participants. It also gives legacy artists an opportunity to be rediscovered.

Things To Consider

As a radio programmer this week, have you created content that drives the halftime show conversation? Even if your station’s format doesn’t play Bad Bunny’s music, there are still ample opportunities to expand on the halftime show hype.

Did you create a block of programming focused on previous Super Bowl halftime performers? Regardless of format, most stations can find former halftime show artists that fit their genre.

Have you posted on social media asking which artist your audience would want to see perform next? Did you turn that conversation into a poll with a ‘Top 3’ while also promoting it on air?

Do you plan on being active during the game itself? Anything from covering commercials and other trending moments. Are you promoting a live discussion on your station’s Instagram page immediately after the halftime show?

For some stations, perhaps you will want to pay attention not only to Bad Bunny’s performance but also to the recently announced Turning Point USA’s All-American Halftime Show. The counter programming will feature Kid Rock, Brantley Gilbert, Lee Brice, and CMA 2021 New Female Artist of the Year winner Gabby Barrett.

You should be actively placing your station or on-air talent in the conversation, especially during the biggest shared music moment in the world. How can you expect your audience to stay engaged if you’re not meeting them there?

A simple photo of Bad Bunny on social media and asking for feedback isn’t enough. In this day and age, if you treat your audience like fools, they will treat you like one.

Shared Moments Turned Local

The fact that sports radio brands like Westwood One and SiriusXM have chosen to carry the halftime show underscores its importance not only as a visual experience but also as an audio moment. What’s interesting is that while sports radio recognizes the significance of music, the music industry itself has largely moved in the opposite direction.

Further fragmentation, driven by algorithms and playlists, has all but eliminated appointment listening moments. But that doesn’t mean it has to be that way, especially on a local level.

The Super Bowl Halftime Show remains one of the few truly shared music moments in the modern landscape. It also provides broadcasters and programmers with a unique opportunity for engagement, conversation, and a litmus test for future programming decisions.

Your audience will be watching the Super Bowl. Leverage that many will also be using social media during the game and the halftime show to your station’s advantage.

See what works and what doesn’t. Most importantly, listen to what your audience is telling you.

Then figure out how you can create your own localized shared music moment. You may not have 100 million people listening, but 10,000 energized and engaged fans can work just as well.

The audience will always care if you give them a reason to.

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Why Cable and Network News Are Rallying Around Don Lemon — and Why That’s Risky

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Don Lemon is suddenly being hailed as a hero. After a history of saying dumb things, his publicity stunt at a Minneapolis church covering anti-ICE protestors, might be the best thing that ever happened to him, and the worst for the First Amendment.

In today’s crazy environment, getting arrested is all it takes to be crowned a champion of free speech. He later stumbled into the best professional moment of his life, a coveted spot on Jimmy Kimmel’s couch, where he eagerly provided the play-by-play of his arrest by about a dozen federal agents while waiting for a hotel elevator. “All of a sudden I feel myself being jostled and people trying to grab me and put me in handcuffs.”

“They want to embarrass you. They want to intimidate you,” he said on ABC. “And they want to instill fear…but this is very serious. These are federal criminal charges.”

Kimmel said Lemon was “arrested for committing journalism.” 

The longtime CNN host, an independent, and until recently, largely irrelevant commentator with a million-strong following on YouTube, eagerly seized the spotlight, and is vowing not to back down. He’s undoubtedly loving every second of the mainstream media’s embrace. 

On Real Time with Bill Maher, MS NOW’s Joe Scarborough defended Lemon while framing his reporting as aggressive. “I think there has to be a differentiation between if somebody’s going in there and saying, ‘I’m not with them, can I ask you some questions?’ — because you’re going to have embeds in war, you’re going to have embeds in protests…there’s no doubt this was meant to scare other reporters, to scare other journalists.”

I found the entire spectacle downright chilling. It seemed like an extension of the Trump administration’s war on the press, designed to squash aggressive reporting. Journalists have already had to battle lawsuits from the president himself including CBS, ABC, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. 

Lemon says he followed a group of demonstrators into a city church who were protesting because one of its pastors had a leadership role in ICE. The journalist, who claims he’s not an activist, was charged with federal civil rights crimes under the FACE act, which prohibits unimpeded access to religious worship.

His proposed arrest was shot down by a federal judge, enraging Attorney General Pam Bondi, who got a grand jury to deliver the criminal indictment that enabled his arrest. She, and others in the administration, craved the idea of prosecuting the openly partisan commentator who has been denouncing Donald Trump for years. He was released without bail. 

The spectacle gave Trump a reason to cackle, with headlines like “Trump Squeezes Lemon.” The White House’s official account featured Don Lemon’s arrest and the quote, “When life gives you lemons…” 

CNN supported its former employee with concerns about the First Amendment.“The Department of Justice already failed twice to get an arrest warrant for Don and several other journalists in Minnesota, where a chief judge of the Minnesota Federal District Court found there was ‘no evidence’ that there was any criminal behavior involved in their work.”

As far as the claim that he helped plan the protest, Lemon has been vigorously defending himself: “I want to make it clear…that I have no affiliation with the organization.” And he said, “I didn’t even know they were going into this church until we followed them there.” 

There could hardly be a more flawed champion of a free press. 

Lemon, 59, a longtime liberal crusader, has a long resume of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, and it got him fired from not one, but two jobs. First from CNN, for among other things, saying then 52-year-old former South Carolina governor, and 2024 presidential candidate, Nikki Haley “isn’t in her prime.” And then by Elon Musk, who gave him a show, but soured on him when Lemon insisted on interviewing the X owner himself.

Also charged was award-winning independent CW journalist Georgia Fort, who made videos denouncing the charges. She has a track record of reporting on civil rights issues. Fort was arrested at her home while her children were there, livestreaming it as it happened. “As I reflect as a journalist…as I leave this federal courthouse today with one question. Do we have a Constitution? I should be protected under the First Amendment.”

It came down to whether or not Lemon knew the protestors were going into the church, whether he told them not to divulge where they were going, or if, as prosecutors allege, he was part of the group. 

Having covered similar events, there is a fine line between chronicling the crowd and getting swept up by the mob. Lemon may have gone too far, but so does arresting someone for what normally would be seen as a flamboyant exploit. Arrest is supposed to be the last resort, not the opening move.

In a saner era, free speech was defended by people like Edward R. Murrow, who stood up against McCarthyism, and Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers – risking their careers, and livelihoods, to fight abusive government.

My instincts as a journalist make me want to come out forcefully for Lemon, even though I’m hardly a fan. But I’m holding my nose doing it.

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Why ‘Practically Political’ Is Betting on Followers Appreciating Facts Over Fury

As many in the media are deciding which side of the political aisle to join, one new podcast — Practically Political — is trying to unify the country with civility and facts.

Host Dave Spencer, along with Ashley Davis and Kurt Bardella, joined Barrett Media to discuss how the Practically Political podcast is allowing both sides to have a conversation that is not grueling or personally attacking someone for their political beliefs.

Krystina Carroll: Tell me how the three of you came together and said lets make a podcast.

Dave Spencer: I’m a Rockefeller Republican, though. If people would listen to my views these days, the ironic thing is they would probably say, particularly my MAGA friends, oh, you’re more of a Democrat, but in 45 years of following politics, I’ve only changed my view on one thing, and that’s the death penalty. I used to be for it, now I’m against it. Every other view is the same, so I wonder, did I change, or did the party change?

Everything is so uncivil these day. It’s always you’re not only wrong, but you’re bad. And so, what’s kept me sane is always attacking the argument, never the person. If you do that, it keeps you rational, and no one gets offended. So that was the impetus behind Practically Political, is to talk. Try to have some views in the middle, have a healthy debate, but always have it cordial, always have people that are fond of each other, even though they may strongly disagree on a lot of the topics that are being discussed.

KC: I love that. How did you come up with Ashley and Kurt as your go-to people for the show?

DS: Well, the lady I had before, and she’s been on as a guest, a really great lady, very smart really very kind, person, but I think as time goes on, I don’t know whether she became more MAGA, but her answers, and I’ve told her this, so I’m not speaking out of turn, became very predictable. And so I knew exactly how she was going to respond.

I said, maybe why don’t we get 3 people instead of two? And so [the guy who helped me put the show together] was the one who went out and actually found Kurt and Ashley.

We tried a couple of shows [with Kurt and Ashley], and there was nice chemistry between us, it was very friendly, and we did a show in person, and last June. We’re gonna try to do, maybe 2 or 3 shows live every year, maybe have a forum, or a place where people can come, and we can have a debate, because it’s all about civil debate.

That’s really the thing, is there’s so much there’s so much, anger out there. People just take it out on each other. You know, the fact that you look on Facebook, and 60% of the people on Facebook don’t have a friend from the other side or something? Ridiculous? I mean, come on. It’s not what this country is based on.

KC: Ashley and Kurt, what attracted you guys to come to the show?

Ashley Davis: Well, first of all, I knew of Dave, but never knew Dave. And so when I was approached by it, I thought it would be super fun. Kurt and I actually do TV together sometimes. He’s a former Republican who is a Democrat, and I’m a Bush Republican, so I am conservative on some issues, but mainly just trying to be more reasonable.

I knew Kurt and I got along well in regards to, we disagree, but we don’t go after each other personally, which was something that was super important. Over the last couple of months, with some of the contentious issues that have been happening, we don’t agree, but we have, again, not criticized each other individually.

Kurt Bardella: I’m a NewsNation contributor, and Ashley and I are oftentimes paired on their panels. She’s Republican, I’m a Democrat, but I think that because I’m a former Republican who is a Democrat, I’m a Democrat living in the red state of Texas, I come to it with, I think, a much more nuanced and balanced approach in that it’s not a zero-sum game.

Sometimes, you can hold two truths at the same time, and whatever our different viewpoints might be, it’s not personal. I might disagree with Ashley or Dave on something, but I don’t look at them and think, well, you’re a horrible person because you disagree with me.

I think oftentimes, our politics has dissolved into that level of personal attacks, and unfortunately, the incentive structure in our current media ecosystem is rewarding that. The algorithms feed that and fuel that, and so if you want views, if you want clicks, if you want relevancy, there is this incentive to be a j*cka**. What attracted me to this concept of Practically Political is that there’s still a place where full-fledged grown-ups can come together and actually have grown-up decisions that don’t turn into the drunk uncle conversation at the Thanksgiving table.

AD: Yeah, that is funny. What’s important about this is, especially with me, like, there are so many, like, former Bush people or whatever that are now anti-Trump. Like, I’m not anti-Trumper. Like, I can completely support some of his issues, but I’m realistic about things that some things I like and some things I don’t. I’m not gonna just go in there and throw red meat because I hate Trump, or red meat because I love Trump. We try to be reasonable on all sides.

KC: How do you guys stay relevant at a time where being the loud voice and being explosive and being on the far right or far left gets you more attention than being normal people, like, where you guys are?

AD: I do Fox, and I do CNN for, like, commentary, and I would say I find out more and more that even the left is like, so-and-so network is too far left, or so-and-so network is too far right. So I actually think, if you think about most of America, they don’t want shows that are screaming at each other. I mean, we kind of scream at each other all the time, and so I actually think the relevancy. We’re not making clickbait comments, though, but we’re actually showing up with educated conversation. I live in the political world in my business, Kurt does too, and Dave’s, like, the most knowledgeable person I know. We actually give, like, facts. Like, if we had one today and started talking about the house shutdown in appropriations, we would be like, no, it’s not gonna happen, right? And so, instead of screaming at each other, telling us why it is or isn’t gonna happen, we’re gonna give practical information. And so I think our relevancy is that, as well, is that we actually know what we’re talking about.

KB: Yeah, and I think that one of the things… you have to meet people where they are, and a lot of people that are in politics 24-7 in DC get trapped in this bubble where you live and die by every single tweet, every single Politico headline, every single segment on cable news.

Reality is, most people aren’t watching cable news. Most people aren’t actually spending their day watching X constantly and engaged in that fight. Pew just came out with new research that shows the majority of Americans are actually moving independently. They’re tired of the extremes of both ends. They’re tired of the noise.

We see every day, cable news, their ratings are declining. Like, there are fewer people tuning into cable news today than there were 7, 8, 9, 10 years ago. Those people didn’t stop consuming information. They didn’t just vanish; they just stopped consuming that kind of information. They started rejecting that presentation.

What we offer is, I think, a much more, again, adult conversation about what’s going on in a format that I think most people, you know, if they could talk about these things. You know, with their peers and with their family, we are having the conversation they wish they could have, I guess I would say.

DS: One of my favorite stats is that you have, I think, about 50 or 60 counties. With half the people of the country that vote blue, and then you have almost 3,000 counties with the other half of the population that vote red, and that’s true in every state.

You go upstate New York, you go parts of California, things are very conservative, and I think as someone who grew up in New York and went to college in LA, and lives in San Francisco, it’s not real America, to put it mildly.

Going out there [and traveling around the country], you realize, first of all: There’s this stereotype that people have that everyone’s antagonistic, and most people have deeply held beliefs, but they’re very friendly, they just want to be heard. And I think that is if I see one thing about this whole hostility and debate, it’s that so many people just don’t feel heard.

And, most people are so friendly, and they’re so proud of their communities, and yeah, they’re very conservative, and they’re being Trump supporters, but they don’t go for a lot of his BS in terms of wanting to deport the lady that’s been working for 10 years with two kids that are born in the U.S, or some of this harsh stuff.

I always tell people, a lot of my liberal friends who still are in shock about the election, I said, hey, you know, over 60% of the people who voted for Trump thought he, in some ways, wasn’t qualified, morally, temporarily, and he was corrupt, and almost 60% thought he was a potential threat to democracy, but they still voted for him. Right? So what does that say about the alternative?

KC: You three are having conversations that people wish they could have. What’s your advice to everyone to have these conversations themselves, too? Not just through listening to your podcast, but with the people that they know, and maybe people that they know colloquially that are on the other side of the aisle.

KB: You have to adopt the mantra that you can disagree without being disagreeable. You have to understand that just because you’re coming from a different ideological viewpoint doesn’t mean that you know their entire life story, and how their viewpoints came to be. You don’t have that context. Two, the goal of the conversation shouldn’t be to change your mind or to prove that I’m right and you’re wrong. Whether you’re talking politics or marriage, like, I don’t know any conversation that ends well if you begin, you’re wrong, I’m right, here’s why. Good luck. You’ll be sleeping on the couch.

You know, it’s like, the goal of political discourse isn’t necessarily about changing minds, that’s what elections are for. Discourse is about providing context, which is: this is what I believe and why. Here’s the context of where I am coming from and what has informed my viewpoint and I am eager to hear yours just as much as I hope you’re eager to hear mine.

If you approach it from that standpoint and you already go into it knowing, you’re not going to agree with me, you’re not gonna change your mind, but maybe you can at least walk in my footsteps for a second and see how I arrived at this conclusion [and] understanding.

DS: Yeah, I would… for me, I think it’s more… people take too much of a macro approach, like, well, I’ve got to get this guy to not vote for Trump. Or I’ve got, you know, I’ve got to get this guy to stop this woman to stop falling into this liberal, woke BS, you know, and… whereas to me, I think a lot of times, I just… I’ll take it point by point. And a lot… because a lot of times, people actually may agree, and for, like, economics, for example, if you blindly ask people about almost 60% of them agree with Democrats on economic issues, right?

But where people veer off is on the social, cultural issues, and I think that’s the as we talked about on the show just our last episode, I think that’s the Democrats’ biggest problem, is that they’re culturally out of step with a lot of the country, and so you might be able to win an election here and there. And the Senate gets even harder, because then you have the demographics where people are moving from blue states to red states, so the electoral college will become more challenging after 2030.

But you won’t have a majority for 10 or 12 years, where you can actually change government. You can appoint a lot of Supreme Court justices and do the things that would really allow Democrats to affect government long-term, and I don’t see that problem. I haven’t seen any…examples of… I saw in, like, say, in 1992, with people standing up to party orthodoxy, and not just sister soldier moments, but…standing up against… look, I mean, Clinton was against, you know, he was pre… pre-trade… he was pro-trade, he was, pro-death penalty, he was…tough on crime, and I haven’t seen any of that, even if you look at the races that Spanberger and Mikey Sherrill ran.

You know, they talked about affordability, but I still thought they were pretty safe when it came to really challenging the party orthodoxy that I think needs to be challenged if the Dems are going to be, have a real majority.

KC: You guys know what you’re talking about. You’re entrenched in this, but, like, you come at it at neutral, non-attacking way. What’s your advice to people who are overwhelmed with the news cycle and want to just know what they’re talking about, to have calm conversations about politics?

KB: You have to be self-selective about who you’re following, who you’re listening to, and, you know, what you’re consuming in terms of news information or infotainment. You know, there are people out there who are pundits and prognosticators who haven’t actually worked in the [the politics] game.

They’ve made their life by commenting on the game. So there’s just a knowledge gap that exists when you haven’t worked in the executive branch, when you haven’t worked in Congress, when you don’t have that first-hand experience and actually lived through 9-11 in the White House.

I was at the House Oversight Committee during the old Clinton-Benghazi investigation. We have these rich experiences, and when you’ve worked in it, you also have a different viewpoint of partisanship.

It’s like, you know, we’re all in on the same joke. Some of my best relationships that I’ve forged in life are with staffers who were on the opposite side of me in public, but privately, we all understood how that game was played, and we all had a kinship with one another, because we know what it’s like to have a boss. I don’t care if you’re Republican or Democrat.

When you work for an elected official, there is a unique way in which that job carries out, that no matter what your ideology is, you go through the same headaches, the same hand-wringing, the same… just you know, professional mishaps, and every 2 or 4 years, you know that you might lose your job and that your life dramatically is impacted by those cycles, and so there is a paternity that develops with that experience.

And so I think for just people out there who are just trying to figure out what’s real and what’s not, in a time where fact and fiction are blurred deliberately, where we are contaminated with misinformation constantly. I always say, like, look for the adults in the room. Don’t look for the loudest voice. Don’t look for the most provocative voice. Look for people whom you would actually want to have a conversation with, and who are having that conversation.

AD: Totally agree with that. Kurt’s exactly right, and I think that even, before I get on the show, especially now, because we’re, like, organized, or before I go on, like, other shows. I purposely look up what Republicans are saying about this question and what Democrats are saying about this question, just so I have a general understanding of what each side’s doing, and 90% of the time, I’m like in the middle, maybe 70% of the time.

I don’t think any of us are trying to go back to my clickbait world. Like, I think that’s why we work, is because I’m not going to start screaming to Kurt or Dave about a topic on immigration, for example, or the borders, so… just so it will go viral. Like, that’s just that’s not me, it’s not us, it’s not our brands, and so, I mean, I think it’s more important for us to make sure that we’re continuing to educate people, more than it is, let’s just try to see how many followers we get.

DS: Yeah, the only thing I would add is that, for me, I think if you can listen to both sides, you’ll probably get 90% of the picture. So, what I mean by that is, I’ll listen to The Rachel Maddow Show, and then I’ll listen to The Ben Shapiro Show, and then I’ll listen to Pod Save America, and then I’ll listen to War Room. You know, whatever you think about him, he’s very smart, he’s very articulate, and a lot of stuff in the war room.

Then there’s the other category of people I really enjoy listening to, like the never-Trumper Republicans, you know, the Bill Crystals, the Tim Millers, you know, those guys that used to be the Bush Republicans, but don’t have any interest in the populism stuff that Trump is pushing. So, I think if doing that, I can probably get 90% of the picture, because obviously both sides are very good at presenting their arguments, and they have very articulate people through whom to do it, so that’s one of the ways I do it.

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Olivia Dean Proves Sounding Soft Will Make You Hard to Beat

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On Sunday night at the Grammy Awards, Olivia Dean won Best New Artist.

For those of you who read my smut pieces (Sound. Music. Unique. Talent.) back in September, I was already waving my arms about Olivia Dean and trying to get radio to really see how special she is as an artist.

Not screaming from the rooftops, obviously. That’s not her vibe.

More like a firm but calm tap on the shoulder followed by, “hey, pay attention. This matters. Call Gary Spangler and tell him you want to add this — then ask him about all the restaurants he owns.”

Introducing Relaxed Soul Pop

Let’s move past the overused word “vibes” which I just used two paragraphs ago. What we’re seeing with Olivia Dean, and now Sienna Spiro, is refreshing. Also an overused word in beverage commercials.

For years, pop — also a type of beverage — has been engineered for speed. Faster hooks. Shorter intros. Everything optimized for forward momentum.

At one point, we were pitching up Miguel’s “Sure Thing.” Why were we doing that again?

Our lives are noisy right now.

We’re debating ICE. Whether we’ll even have an election. Who should or shouldn’t be playing the Super Bowl halftime show — and why Turning Point USA apparently needs one of its own.

Meanwhile, half the country is quite literally thawing out from being covered in a different kind of ice.

Everything is loud, arguing for attention, or creating distraction.

People are exhausted. They’re scrolling with tension.

Olivia Dean and Sienna Spiro aren’t loud. Sonically, they’re a break many of us need. These artists have multi-format airplay potential because of how their songs sound in a world that doesn’t know what to feel.

Pop programmers hear melodies. AC programmers hear something more interesting than another Maroon 5 song. AAA programmers hear musicianship and the chance to play someone without a man bun.

Why Now?

Three forces are converging.

1. TikTok Burnout Is Real

The platform that once democratized discovery also taught creators to chase immediacy to win the 12-second audition.

Which, to be fair, is about how long some PDs listen to a demo. So what’s old is new again.

Listeners are returning to music as companionship, a word I’ve been told I lacked in my demos.

2. A 10-Year Cultural Cycle Is Doing What Cycles Do

Here’s the part that matters to programmers because consultants told them it matters.

Music moves in cycles. Or so I’m reminded every time I open a trade publication and see someone reference the Guy Zapoleon music cycle.

Ten years ago, Adele dropped “Hello.” Ten years before that, Norah Jones. Before that, Michael Bublé. Before him, Michael Bolton. Before him, Kenny G.

As an aside, much like Samson, I sometimes wonder if Michael Bolton or Kenny G would lose their powers if they cut their hair.

Every couple of cycles, the pendulum swings from maximalism to intimacy. Radio doesn’t create these cycles but the good PDs know how to spot them.

KYLD and KMVQ are already two songs deep into Olivia Dean. KBFF leads the nation on Sienna Spiro.

Two out of those three PDs know exactly what they’re doing.

3. Young Artists With Grown Records

Here’s the return of the mother-daughter cheat code. These are young artists making music that feels seasoned (seasoned tests well with the 40+ set).

Older listeners hear craft. Younger listeners hear authenticity — something I was also once told I lacked on the air.

One of my famous Phil-Osophies: The first time something happens, it’s an incident. The second time, it’s a coincidence. The third time, it’s reality.

We’re well past three songs. And now we have multiple artists proving the viability of this sound.

Who’s Leading

Olivia Dean. Her Grammy win plants a flag in the ground.

It gives some programmers permission to relax. To maybe do something radical… like play three songs from the same artist. I know. Dangerous talk.

Maybe you want to wait a couple of minutes before you play another Olivia Dean song (if you caught that, you’re not part of the problem).

But be honest. Top 40 radio would be better off taking a chance on a third Olivia Dean record than watching Doja Cat rack up her third or fourth miss of the past year.

Sienna Spiro. She’s not a one-off. I said it, and I’ll die on that hill. If you missed that joke, you’re probably too busy playing Doja Cat.

Who’s Next?

If you want to be early on purpose rather than late by accident, the next two artists in this vein that matter are Kayla Kross and Sienna Rose.

(apparently there’s something about the name Sienna that works).

“A Little Thing Like Love” by Kayla Kross and “Into the Blue” by Sienna Rose are the Mandy Moore and Jessica Simpson to Olivia Dean’s Britney Spears and Sienna Spiro’s Christina Aguilera.

Both songs have more streams this week than six different tracks currently sitting in the airplay Top 30. So either radio is missing what matters, or labels are pushing what doesn’t.

Both are bad, like putting Band-Aids on bullet wounds.

Phil-of-the-Future Prediction

Over the next 12 months, this relaxed soul-pop sound becomes radio’s safest “risk.”

Not safe in the sense of bland. Safe in the sense that it works. Safe in the sense that it doesn’t violate listener expectations.

Stations that understand this won’t sound louder in fact they’ll sound softer which will make them harder to beat.

And maybe — just maybe — this is finally the career reboot of Sade and Kenny G I’ve been waiting for.

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Success of 77 WABC Should Be a Wakeup Call to Other News/Talk Radio Brands

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For years, 77 WABC has been treated as a punchline by critics who see AM news/talk as a one-lane highway headed in a conservative direction. That view misses what’s actually happening in New York. The station’s resurgence isn’t an accident, and it isn’t nostalgia. It’s the result of a deliberate choice to widen the conversation instead of shrinking it.

At a time when many news/talk outlets are clinging tightly to ideological comfort zones, WABC has done something quietly radical. It’s reminded the industry that radio works best when it reflects the full range of opinions inside its coverage area. That doesn’t mean abandoning a core audience. It means trusting that audience enough to hear opposing viewpoints without panic.

The most recent and obvious example is the addition of Andrew Cuomo to the station’s lineup. Love him or loathe him, Cuomo is not a conservative voice. His presence alone sends a signal that 77 WABC isn’t afraid of friction. It’s committed to dialogue, not just affirmation. In today’s media environment, that’s a risk many programmers won’t take.

Cuomo isn’t an isolated case, either. The station frequently welcomes former New York governor David Paterson. Former Congressman Anthony Weiner has also appeared on the air. These are not token guests passing through for a quick hit. They’re part of a broader effort to show that Democrats and independents aren’t just tolerated. They’re invited.

That matters more than many executives realize. News/talk radio has spent decades convincing itself that success requires being all conservative, all the time. 77 WABC proves that assumption is flawed. The station has found traction by talking about issues New Yorkers care about. Transit, crime, housing, taxes, schools, and local politics don’t belong to one party.

Opening the door to non-Republican voices doesn’t dilute the brand. It strengthens it. Listeners who disagree don’t tune out automatically when they feel respected. They lean in, argue back, and most importantly, come back tomorrow. That’s how habit is built, and habit is the lifeblood of radio.

Does WABC have a large conservative base, both on the air and in its audience? Absolutely. There’s no point pretending otherwise. The difference is that the station hasn’t decided that base must be protected from dissent. Instead, it’s trusted that its listeners can handle disagreement without feeling betrayed.

That approach creates something many stations have lost: relevance. When a listener knows a station isn’t just preaching to one choir, it feels more connected to real life. Real communities aren’t ideologically pure. They’re messy, loud, contradictory, and emotional. Radio is supposed to sound like that.

There’s also a business lesson here that shouldn’t be ignored. Advertisers don’t live exclusively on one side of the political aisle. Neither do potential listeners. By signaling that Democrats are welcome, WABC expands its reach without abandoning its identity. That’s growth without reinvention, and it’s far harder than simply doubling down.

Too many news/talk programmers talk about “the audience” as if it’s a single personality type. It isn’t. Democrats listen to the radio, too. Independents do as well. Some of them are even curious about conservative arguments, just as some conservatives are curious about progressive ones. WABC has remembered that curiosity is a feature, not a bug.

The station’s resurgence should be studied closely by others in the format. You don’t need to chase every political trend or rebrand yourself every election cycle. You need to reflect your market honestly and you need to allow space for voices that challenge assumptions. Trust listeners instead of shielding them.

In an era when media outlets are rewarded for narrowing their focus, 77 WABC has chosen to widen it. That choice hasn’t weakened the station. It’s helped revive it. For news/talk radio operators searching for a sustainable future, the lesson is clear. Conversation beats confirmation, and openness beats fear.

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