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ESPN Viewership For Men and Women’s College Basketball Up More Than 25%

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ESPN is seeing substantial momentum across its college basketball coverage, with both its women’s and men’s packages delivering significant audience gains that underscore the network’s continued influence in shaping the sport’s national conversation.

Through February 9, women’s college basketball games across ESPN platforms are averaging a 33% increase compared to last season, putting the network on track for its most-watched season in 17 years and reinforcing the sustained growth the sport has experienced over the past several cycles.

Meanwhile, men’s college basketball telecasts have climbed 25% year-over-year, positioning ESPN for its strongest season in more than a decade and signaling renewed engagement as conference races intensify.

ESPN has aired nine of the 20 most-watched women’s college basketball games across all networks this season, including five of the top 10, as the network continues to invest heavily in premier matchups and high-profile windows that have resonated with viewers.

Three games have surpassed the one million viewer mark, illustrating the ceiling the sport continues to raise on national television.

ESPN platforms have already televised 12 women’s games averaging more than 500,000 viewers, four more than at this stage last year, and account for 19 of the top 20 games on cable. Overall, ESPN represents 48% of all live minutes watched in women’s college basketball this season, the largest share among network groups and a reflection of its expansive schedule and distribution footprint.

On the men’s side, ESPN has televised 10 of the 20 most-watched games across all networks, including three contests that eclipsed two million viewers and reaffirmed the drawing power of blue-blood programs in marquee time slots.

The first Duke–North Carolina meeting of the season averaged 3.5 million viewers and peaked at 4.8 million during the final minutes of North Carolina’s 71–68 victory, ranking as ESPN’s most-watched men’s college basketball telecast since Mike Krzyzewski’s final home game in 2022. Across all networks, the matchup stands as the third-most watched game of the season and the highest-rated contest without the benefit of an NFL lead-in.

ESPN’s Big Monday franchise, a staple of the network’s college basketball coverage since 1987, has also delivered strong returns, with early-season windows averaging 1.5 million viewers, an 81% increase from last year. The 86 games carried on ESPN are averaging 969,000 viewers, up 12% year-over-year and pacing for a six-year high.

In total, ESPN accounts for 45% of all live minutes watched in men’s college basketball this season and holds 29 of the top 30 cable telecasts.

College GameDay has mirrored that growth, with its women’s edition rising 22% year-over-year in its Feb. 1 outing and the men’s version pacing up 10%, including its most-watched regular season Saturday morning episode since 2015.

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RJ Choppy: NFL Would Be “Insane” To Be Upset About NBC Sports Agreement With NBA

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According to reporting from John Ourand of Puck, NFL executives were “irritated” after NBC Sports agreed to an 11-year, $27 billion media rights deal with the NBA that pays the league roughly $2.4 billion annually, a figure that exceeds the approximately $2 billion per year NBC pays for Sunday Night Football and its broader NFL package.

That disparity, while eye-opening on its surface, drew strong reaction in Dallas during the Shan & RJ Show on 105.3 The Fan, where host RJ Choppy dismissed the idea that the NFL should feel slighted by the arrangement.

“This is insane for the NFL to even be upset about this,” Choppy said. “The NFL gives NBC 18 games a year. The NBA gives NBC 100 games a year. Of course, they’re paying more.”

Choppy framed the debate as a matter of math and inventory, not a power struggle between two billion-dollar properties. While the NFL produces massive ratings, NBC’s football schedule centers on one weekly prime-time window. It also includes a limited number of postseason games. By contrast, the NBA package delivers year-round programming across broadcast and Peacock. That includes regular-season games, playoff matchups, and conference finals. The added volume creates far more streaming inventory for the network to monetize.

To illustrate his point, Choppy compared the leagues’ output to workplace compensation.

“This is like working one day a week at your job and being upset that the person who works 50 hours a week, five days a week, makes more money than you,” he said. “How are you upset about that? You work one day a week? Why would you be upset?”

Co-host Bobby Belt acknowledged the logic behind Choppy’s volume argument but suggested the NFL’s reported frustration may stem less from economics and more from optics. The league has long positioned itself as the most powerful property in American sports, consistently dominating television ratings and setting benchmarks for rights fees.

“The NFL, they want you to feel their power. They want you to feel their influence. They want to be the top dog in every respect,” Belt said. “And so I think they just feel like it’s just a greed factor, grass is greener. That’s all it is.”

The timing of the reported irritation adds intrigue. The NFL is preparing to reopen portions of its existing media agreements, a process that could reshape partnerships with traditional broadcasters such as NBC while potentially expanding relationships with streaming-first companies like Amazon, Apple and YouTube.

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Stephen A. Smith ‘Moving Closer’ to Launching 2028 Presidential Bid

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ESPN and SiriusXM host Stephen A. Smith has waffled on whether or not he’d run for President in 2028. A comment from a CBS News reporter suggests Smith is inching closer to throwing his hat in the ring.

In an upcoming feature story on CBS Sunday Morning, Stephen A. Smith sat down with CBS News Chief Washington Analyst and National Correspondent Robert Costa to discuss his increasing power and notoriety in Washington, D.C.

Smith said he was “interrogated,” but “he did his best” in the interview with Costa, in a video published on social media to promote his appearance.

In a separate post, Costa suggested Smith was nearing toward entering the race for the White House in 2028.

“Stephen A. Smith is moving closer to a 2028 campaign,” Costa wrote. “Spending a few days with him in recent months reminded me of spending a few days with Trump back in 2013-2014. Many laughed at the prospect of a bid. But in an age of celebrity and social media…”

“I will confess to you, I’m giving strong consideration to being on that debate stage for 2027,” said Smith. “I’ve got this year coming up — 2026 — to think about it, to study, to know the issues.”

The statement from Costa comes after Stephen A. Smith has previously stated he wouldn’t seek any party’s nomination for the race, while also admitting that he wasn’t ruling out the option in April of last year.

“I’ve had no choice but to get more serious about it,” he shared while speaking on a panel at the NAB Show in Las Vegas. “I’ve been approached by people on Capitol Hill. And I’ve been approached by people who are elected officials in office, whether it’s governors or mayors or what have you. People have legitimately, seriously, asked me about it.

“I have no desire to be a politician, but I’ve decided that I’m no longer going to close that door. I’m gonna keep my options open. I’m going to entertain the possibility,” Smith continued. “If it comes in late 2026, 2027, where I look at this country and think it’s an absolute mess and there’s legitimate reason to believe … that I indeed have a legitimate shot to win the presidency of the United States. I am not going to rule it out.”

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Chet Buchanan Out at 98.5 KLUC Las Vegas

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After more than a quarter century anchoring mornings in Las Vegas, Chet Buchanan has parted ways with Audacy’s 98.5 KLUC, closing one of the longest-running CHR morning tenures in the market’s modern history.

The station confirmed Buchanan’s departure in a social media post Friday morning, expressing appreciation for his years of service and impact on the brand, while stopping short of outlining immediate plans for the morning daypart.

“Thank you Chet Buchanan for 25+ years of Las Vegas radio,” read the social media post. “Your voice, leadership, and commitment to our listeners have helped define KLUC and its role in the Las Vegas community for nearly three decades and for that we greatly appreciate you.”

Buchanan arrived at KLUC in 1999 and quickly became a fixture in the city’s Top 40 landscape, guiding The Morning Zoo through nearly two decades of ratings cycles, format evolution and ownership changes before the show shifted direction in 2017 and reemerged under his name as The Chet Buchanan Show.

Over the past two years, he teamed with Mikalah Gordon, strengthening the program’s community presence while maintaining a personality-driven approach that reflected the station’s longstanding emphasis on local engagement.

Throughout his run, Buchanan positioned himself as more than just a morning host, regularly connecting the show to charitable initiatives and civic events, efforts that helped cement KLUC’s brand identity in a market where transience often challenges listener loyalty and consistent audience habits.

Beyond radio, Buchanan built a parallel profile in sports, serving as public address announcer for the NHL’s Seattle Kraken, the WNBA’s Las Vegas Aces and events at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, including NASCAR weekends that draw national attention to Southern Nevada.

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WFAN’s Gregg Giannotti Defends Boomer Esiason From “Misguided” Comments by Dan Le Batard Producer Mike Ryan Ruiz

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Gregg Giannotti pushed back Friday morning against pointed criticism aimed at his co-host, telling listeners that outrage from Dan Le Batard Show producer Mike Ryan Ruiz stemmed more from political frustration than from an informed understanding of what happens inside the WFAN studio.

Speaking on WFAN’s Boomer & Gio, Giannotti addressed comments Ruiz made on The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, where the producer forcefully criticized Boomer Esiason for suggesting American Olympians should focus on competition rather than voicing political concerns during the Winter Games. Giannotti said Ruiz’s remarks seemed driven by broader frustration with the political climate. He suggested the comments were not rooted in familiarity with Boomer Esiason’s track record or on-air personality. Giannotti described the segment as an emotional reaction. He argued it unfairly placed his co-host into a category that does not reflect how he operates daily on the air.

“Maybe there’s people in his life or others that he has stayed silent about,” said Giannotti. “Then this Boomer thing comes across his plate, and he all of a sudden, just explodes.”

Ruiz had accused Esiason of selectively criticizing athletes who speak out, framing his comments about Olympians as politically loaded. Giannotti rejected the notion that Esiason avoids stating his beliefs plainly, saying those who listen regularly understand that subtlety has never defined his partner’s approach.

“I sit next to Boomer five days a week, four hours a day,” Giannotti said. “I wish he would say what he meant less to be honest with you. So, you don’t know what you’re talking about.”

At the same time, Giannotti emphasized that differing viewpoints have a place in sports media. He said that is especially true when conversations move beyond box scores and into broader cultural flashpoints.

“I think that he’s just misguided. Just doesn’t have the information,” explained Giannotti. “He’s just screaming about whatever that he’s annoyed about, and is putting Boomer in a category that he’s not in.”

However, he maintained that criticizing an opinion differs from attacking character, and he said personal insults ultimately compelled him to respond publicly.

“I’m allowed to disagree with his take,” Giannotti said, noting that Ruiz also has a platform to voice opposition. “But to take it to that level and call him those names — I got to say something, because this is ridiculous.”

The exchange underscores how discussions about athletes, patriotism, and political expression extend well beyond the games. Those debates increasingly pull sports talk hosts into broader cultural conversations. It should be noted that Boomer Esiason had Friday off, a pre-planned day away from Boomer & Gio.

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CBS News Considering Layoffs After Offering Buyouts to Current Staffers

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Late last month, CBS News began offering buyouts to current employees, especially those working for CBS Evening News. Now, wider cuts could be on the horizon.

According to a report from Variety, CBS News is considering another round of layoffs that could slash 15% of its current staff.

The news of potential layoffs comes after more than 10 producers working for CBS Evening News accepted the buyout option from the company. One producer, Alicia Hastey, took shots at the network as she exited, lambasting the direction of the division under the direction of Bari Weiss.

“The truth is that commitment to those people and the stories they have to tell is increasingly becoming impossible,” Hastey wrote. “Stories may instead be evaluated not just on their journalistic merit but on whether they conform to a shifting set of ideological expectations — a dynamic that pressures producers and reporters to self-censor or avoid challenging narratives that might trigger backlash or unfavorable headlines.”

Layoffs at CBS News haven’t been uncommon in recent years.

In 2024, Paramount cut more than 2,000 employees, with some CBS News staffers included in the cuts. In October and November 2025, hundreds of jobs at the company were eliminated after the deal between Paramount and Skydance was completed. That slashing hoped to cut $2 billion from the company’s operating sheet.

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Barrett Media’s Top 20 Major Market News/Talk Radio Afternoon Shows of 2025

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Barrett Media’s Top 20 of 2025 for News/Talk Radio is presented by JJ Surma Voiceovers. Be sure to check out JJ’s work and learn how he can elevate your brand by clicking here.

Our news/talk series rolls on today with a look at the Top 20 Major Market Afternoon shows of 2025. To see all of the results, visit our website, subscribe to our newsletters, or follow us on FacebookLinkedIn, TikTok, Instagram and/or X. The full schedule of upcoming releases is listed down below the images. After the Top 20 series ends in March, I will record a video discussing the entire process. That video will be posted on the Barrett Media YouTube page. Make sure you subscribe so you’re notified once the video goes live.

As you review these results, please remember that they represent the collective feedback shared by our industry voters. Barrett Media does not vote in this process. Our role is to assemble the group, collect the votes, and present the information.

Important Information

#1 – These results are based on 2025’s performance. 2026 changes have no effect on the voting.

#2 – We ask our voters to supply photos and logos to avoid headaches. Some comply, but most don’t. It forces us to spend a lot of time digging for images to highlight everyone. For that reason, there are no photo changes unless it involves a mistake. Thanks in advance for understanding.

#3 – Our executive panel consists of forty (40) program directors and corporate executives from radio’s top broadcasting companies. They include Audacy, iHeart, Cumulus, Cox Media Group, Townsquare Media, Hubbard Radio, Bonneville, Radio One, Nexstar Media, Zimmer Communications, Connoisseur Media, Salem Radio Network, Premiere Networks, Fox News Radio, and a number of independently owned and operated outlets. Our voting group is large because we want feedback from all areas of the country. We also try to make sure the results don’t favor any one company.

#4 – The criteria for our voters included the ear test, originality, multi-platform impact, ratings success, clearance (national shows) and industry buzz. Keep in mind, our voters live in different cities, work for different companies, have different tastes, and value certain factors higher than others. This is not a perfect system but it’s one we feel good about using to showcase the industry’s best.

#5 – A total of 36 shows appeared on ballots submitted for voting consideration in the Major Market News/Talk Radio Afternoon Shows category.

And the Winner Is…

Mitch Albom of WJR 760 in Detroit. This is Mitch’s first category win since Barrett Media started this series in 2022. He ranked 5th in 2024, 3rd in 2023, and 2nd in 2022. Congratulations to Mitch, WJR PD Ann Thomas, and their entire team on the well deserved recognition.

I want to thank Dylan Barrett for creating the artwork, and each voter who participated in the process. Now without further delay, here are Barrett Media’s Top 20 Major Market News/Talk Radio Afternoon Shows of 2025.

Additional Notes:

  • Mitch Albom scored a ten (10) point win over the Von Haessler Doctrine to claim the top spot. Albom notched a category best five (5) first-place votes en route to the victory.
  • Spots 21-25 belonged to Ryan Ermanni, Dominic Carter, LA’s Afternoon News, Tony Ortiz & Tracey McCaskill, and Drivetime with DeRusha.
  • The closest battle was for 10th place. James Parker edged Cats & Crosby by two (2) points.
  • Of the 36 shows to appear on submitted ballots, eight (8) received at least one 1st place vote.

BM Top 20 of 2025 Remaining Schedule:

  • Monday February 16 = BM Top 20 Major/Mid Market N/T Radio Program Directors of 2024
  • Tuesday February 17 = BM Top 20 Major/Mid Market N/T Radio Stations of 2025
  • Wednesday February 18 = BM Top 20 Major/Mid Market News Media Digital Shows of 2025

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Barrett Media’s Top 20 Mid Market News/Talk Radio Afternoon Shows of 2025

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Barrett Media’s Top 20 of 2025 for News/Talk Radio is presented by JJ Surma Voiceovers. Be sure to check out JJ’s work and learn how he can elevate your brand by clicking here.

Our news/talk series rolls on today with a look at the Top 20 Major Market Afternoon shows of 2025. To see all of the results, visit our website, subscribe to our newsletters, or follow us on FacebookLinkedIn, TikTok, Instagram and/or X. The full schedule of upcoming releases is listed down below the images. After the Top 20 series ends in March, I will record a video discussing the entire process. That video will be posted on the Barrett Media YouTube page. Make sure you subscribe so you’re notified once the video goes live.

As you review these results, please remember that they represent the collective feedback shared by our industry voters. Barrett Media does not vote in this process. Our role is to assemble the group, collect the votes, and present the information.

Important Information

#1 – These results are based on 2025’s performance. 2026 changes have no effect on the voting.

#2 – We ask our voters to supply photos and logos to avoid headaches. Some comply, but most don’t. It forces us to spend a lot of time digging for images to highlight everyone. For that reason, there are no photo changes unless it involves a mistake. Thanks in advance for understanding.

#3 – Our executive panel consists of forty (40) program directors and corporate executives from radio’s top broadcasting companies. They include Audacy, iHeart, Cumulus, Cox Media Group, Townsquare Media, Hubbard Radio, Bonneville, Radio One, Nexstar Media, Zimmer Communications, Connoisseur Media, Salem Radio Network, Premiere Networks, Fox News Radio, and a number of independently owned and operated outlets. Our voting group is large because we want feedback from all areas of the country. We also try to make sure the results don’t favor any one company.

#4 – The criteria for our voters included the ear test, originality, multi-platform impact, ratings success, clearance (national shows) and industry buzz. Keep in mind, our voters live in different cities, work for different companies, have different tastes, and value certain factors higher than others. This is not a perfect system but it’s one we feel good about using to showcase the industry’s best.

#5 – A total of 47 shows appeared on ballots submitted for voting consideration in the Mid Market News/Talk Radio Afternoon Shows category.

And the Winner Is…

The Scoot Show of WWL in New Orleans. This is Scoot’s first time topping the list since Barrett Media started this series in 2022. Congratulations to Scott Paisant, Diane Newman, Dan Barron and the entire WWL team on the well earned recognition.

I want to thank Dylan Barrett for creating the artwork, and each voter who participated in the process. Now without further delay, here are Barrett Media’s Top 20 Mid Market News/Talk Radio Afternoon Shows of 2025.

Additional Notes:

  • The Scoot Show won a nailbiter over Hammer & Nigel, besting the Indianapolis afternoon show by seven (7) points. Scoot collected the most first-place votes, finishing with six (6).
  • Spots 21-25 belonged to Dana & Parks, Wisconsin’s Afternoon News, Mark Blazor, Emery Songer, and Afternoon News w/ Skyler Cooper.
  • The closest race was for 20th place. Deminski & Moore held off Dana & Parks by one (1) point.
  • Of the 47 shows to appear on submitted ballots, nine (9) received at least one 1st place vote.

BM Top 20 of 2025 Remaining Schedule:

  • Monday February 16 = BM Top 20 Major/Mid Market N/T Radio Program Directors of 2024
  • Tuesday February 17 = BM Top 20 Major/Mid Market N/T Radio Stations of 2025
  • Wednesday February 18 = BM Top 20 Major/Mid Market News Media Digital Shows of 2025

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How Matt Cord Finds Continued Success Stepping Into the Shoes of Legends

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One of the hardest things to do in radio is replace a truly impactful host without losing listeners or brand loyalty. Listeners bond with popular hosts in a way that is unique to each talent and not easily duplicated.

The biggest example of this may have come when Howard Stern left terrestrial radio for satellite. He was on stations across the country and commanded large audiences. Infinity Broadcasting, which owned several Stern stations at the time, installed different solutions to replace him across the country. All of which ultimately failed to generate ratings because a talent like Stern is nearly impossible to replace.

While Stern is clearly an outlier, the same issue occurs at stations all the time across the country. Although many replacements eventually fail to reach the level of their predecessor, one host has successfully followed not just one but three legendary talents. I’m speaking of Matt Cord of 93.3 WMMR in Philadelphia.

When Debbie Calton retired after twenty-six years on WMMR’s sister station 102.9 WMGK, Cord took over her midday show. At the time, Cord said he was honored to follow in the footsteps of the Philadelphia radio icon.

However, that was just the beginning. Three years later, WMGK morning host John DeBella retired. Thus, Cord was elevated from middays to mornings taking over for yet another Philadelphia radio icon.

Then, last year, the unthinkable occurred with the unexpected passing of WMMR’s legendary midday host Pierre Robert. Once again, Beasley Media Group management turned to Cord to step in.

His approach to succeeding in these situations lies in Cord’s fandom of other hosts and the opportunity to work with them. When you talk to him, you quickly learn he also possesses something many talents struggle with: humility.

When asked about being the guy who has followed three beloved hosts, he credits first the two program directors, Bill Weston and Chuck Damico — who once interned for Cord — for affording him these opportunities.

“I’ve had a lot of great things happen in my career, but 90% of it is because of those two guys,” explained Cord.

In each case, when Cord took over a new daypart his approach involved maintaining some of the features the previous host was known for. This instantly creates a sense of continuity, despite not being the original creator.

For example, after taking over for Robert last year, Cord maintained the Workforce Blocks and daily vinyl cut, which he renamed Pierre’s Vinyl Cut to honor the former host.

“I used to do that shift when Pierre would take vacations. I already knew the format, the blocks, and the vinyl cut. In fact, I was so familiar that months later I was on the air and almost said ‘Matt Cord in for Pierre Robert,’ because I was so used to saying that,” Cord says.

While many hosts would struggle with being told to maintain someone else’s show and features, Cord sometimes takes the homage a step further.

“I recently played a block of Jackson Browne and used the Pierre Robert’s specific Jackson Browne I.D.,” said Cord. “There’s so much history between him and all the artists that we play. You’ve got to honor that forever.”

Cord’s decision to keep certain benchmarks isn’t just about honoring the hosts who came before him; it also reflects how well he understands Philadelphia. The city has been his home market for more than forty years.

“You don’t want to be that much different than what it was before,” said Cord. “I know this city and the listeners. They are extremely loyal and they don’t like change.”

That’s not to say Cord doesn’t bring his own unique elements and personality to the show. For example, he has an archive of voicemail messages his father left for him even a decade following his passing. At the end of each show, he plays one back for the listening audience.

“My dad would say things like ‘let me tell you about the Barenaked Ladies, they are not bare naked and they’re not ladies.’ Listeners love it,” noted Cord. “Wherever I go people tell me how much they love hearing my dad on the show.”

In addition to his on-air career, Cord also credits another opportunity to his time at Beasley in Philadelphia. He has served as the in-house announcer for the Philadelphia 76ers for twenty-eight years. It began when he was hosting middays on WMMR during a period when Robert handled mornings.

Team President Jim Croce came in as a guest on Robert’s show and then stopped to offer Cord the opportunity. That role also led to Cord becoming the voice of the wildly popular NBA 2K video game series.

“I go out to California once a year for a few days and record stuff for NBA 2K. We announced all the different players and all the new players, and now we’re voicing WNBA players. It’s fun,” explains Cord.

Being the voice of the game does not mean he excels at playing it.

“I tried once when my nephew set me up to play and I didn’t hit one basket. Believe I lost like forty to nothing,” joked Cord. “I wanted to hear it when I made a basket because that’s when it’s me saying the guy’s name. It was frustrating.”

Across Cord’s career, he has maintained a long association with newer music. He worked at one of the original alternative stations, WDRE/Long Island, hosted an Alternative Rock show called Planet M on WMMR, and worked across town in Philadelphia at Y100 when it was Alternative. He also worked in gold-based formats such as WBEN-FM and WMGK-FM.

If he had to choose between the two, Cord prefers being involved with new music.

“I love to credit myself as a good salesperson, and that’s basically what you’re doing. Plus, it’s constantly changing. The bands are making new music, going on tour, doing newsworthy stuff, you don’t get as much of that in Classic Rock,” explained Cord.

Most importantly, he is back at WMMR, which feels like home. In fact, during his show, the studio door is always open in honor of the late Pierre Robert.

“One of Pierre’s things, when he did his show, was that he always kept the door open,” said Cord. “I decided when I took over in December, that door will always stay open.”

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Is a Podcast on Netflix Still a ‘Podcast’?

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Nobody has been able to define what a “podcast” is for quite some time. And I don’t think the addition of shows now airing on Netflix helps create that determination, either.

Media labels shape expectations, measurement, and even how creators think about their audience. When a show’s primary home is a global video streamer, it’s fair to ask whether the word “podcast” still fits.

For years, podcasting was defined by audio-first distribution. RSS feeds mattered. Downloads mattered. Listening without a screen mattered most of all. Video showed up later as a value add, not the main course. The growth of YouTube didn’t break that definition, because audio remained the center of gravity for most shows that mattered. If anything, it enhanced the podcast medium.

Some programs still live comfortably in that hybrid space. They have massive audio audiences and layer in video to extend reach. Others flip the equation, building a huge YouTube presence while keeping audio feeds alive for convenience. College football podcaster Josh Pate made that point known last week, questioning what he should call his show. His YouTube audience dwarfs his audio audience. But, he still labels himself a “podcaster” because what other label fits?

A Netflix show changes that equation immediately. Video isn’t a companion there. Video is the product. The platform is built for sitting, watching, and staying. No one opens Netflix expecting to multitask through earbuds. Viewers press play, look at the screen, and let the algorithm roll them into the next episode. It’s hard to argue that it isn’t the primary distribution platform when the company spent millions in the space.

That matters when we talk about form. An interview show on Netflix isn’t a podcast that happens to have cameras. A panel show with multiple hosts on Netflix isn’t experimenting with distribution. Those formats already have a name. We’ve called them talk shows for decades.

There’s also a difference in cultural context. A podcast that lives alongside funny cat videos and Vine compilations feels native to the internet and to YouTube. It’s casual, portable, and disposable in the best way. A show that lives next to Stranger Things and Love Is Blind plays by different rules. Prestige creeps in, even when the set is a couch and a microphone.

I’m not sure I’m the right person to draw a hard line and declare two separate categories. Labels evolve, and media history is full of blurry transitions. Still, at some point, delineation matters for clarity. When everything is a podcast, the word loses its meaning.

The most common rebuttal is: These shows still have audio versions. They’re available in podcast apps. That argument sounds reasonable until you push it a step further. The CBS Evening News has an audio version, too. No one calls it a podcast. Do you know why? Because it isn’t a podcast!

Distribution alone doesn’t define the format. Intent does. So does audience behavior. When creators design episodes to be watched first, clipped second, and listened to last, the hierarchy is obvious. Audio becomes a byproduct, not the driver.

That shift isn’t bad news. Talk shows are thriving again in new places. Netflix’s investment in conversational formats signals real confidence in personalities and discussion. That’s a win for creators who can carry a room with words, not explosions.

The problem only arises when we pretend nothing has changed. Calling everything a podcast flattens meaningful differences in production, consumption, and measurement. Advertisers notice. Platforms notice. Audiences do too, even if they don’t articulate it.

Podcasting didn’t lose when shows moved to Netflix. It simply revealed its boundaries. Some programs will always be audio-first, even with cameras rolling. Others have graduated into something more visual and more traditional.

That’s okay. We already have a word for it. It’s called a talk show. I don’t know what a “podcast” officially is anymore. But I know what it isn’t. And I think you do, too.

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