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BSM Podcast – Season 2 – Episode 7 – Jim Rome – CBS Sports Radio

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The 7th episode of Season 2 features a deep dive into Jim Rome’s broadcasting career. Over the course of 40+ minutes Jim offers his insights on starting on the local level, expanding into syndication, building a national brand thru the addition of TV, going thru adversity following the Jim Everett situation, moving from Premiere to CBS Sports Radio, the possibility of a return to sports television, the UFC rumors, the growth of sports debate, the birth of the clones, the importance of understanding the business of sports radio, what he looks for in a producer, staying receptive to feedback, how he determines if a benchmark or piece of content still is relevant, and much more.

Also, Jason returns with a 5 in 5, taking a look at the Mitch Levy situation in Seattle, 97.5 The Fanatic’s PD change in Philadelphia, how the radio community has rallied to help those in need in Houston, the fallout from the Ryen Russillo incident at ESPN Radio, and a couple of takeaways from the Podcast Movement Conference.

THE ORDER OF TOPICS DISCUSSED WITH JIM ROME:

  • Getting started in radio and when he knew it was what he wanted to do
  • Pursuing a career as a host in the sports format when it barely existed
  • Landing an opportunity in San Diego as a host at XTRA Sports 690
  • Climbing from evenings to middays to being national syndicating
  • His first four affiliates and how he served new stations and listeners
  • Having his contract purchased by Premiere Radio Networks
  • The rapid rise of affiliate growth and becoming a national success
  • Developing a TV presence on ESPN2 and why it appealed to him
  • Facing his first major adversity (Jim Everett) and how he overcame it
  • Working to make sure his career wasn’t defined by the Jim Everett saga
  • Growing his radio audience by becoming more involved in television
  • His interest in regaining a stronger presence on sports television
  • The rumors of calling UFC fights and whether or not he considered it
  • Making the switch from Premiere Radio Networks to CBS Sports Radio
  • Whether or not there’s too much sports audio content available
  • Learning the role of being a businessman, not just a sports media host
  • Building long relationships with producers and what he looks for in them
  • Remaining open to feedback from PD’s despite his decades of success
  • Determining whether or not content has lasting power or has timed out
  • How The Clones were born into existence and became a part of his show
  • The way sports talk radio has changed over the past three decades
  • Picking his spots when discussing social issues and steering clear of politics
  • Debate programming on TV and how he feels about the way its grown
  • Quick Hits: Which son follows him, fill-in hosts, improving, most proud moment

FROM THE GUEST

Jim’s Twitter handle: @JimRome

KJR Host Mitch Levy Arrested in Prostitution Sting

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It’s been a challenging week for Sports Radio 950 KJR. First, the radio station lost access to sports writers from the Seattle Times. But that pales in comparison to what the radio station is dealing with now, following the arrest of morning host Mitch Levy.

Bellevue, Washington police ran an undercover operation, which included opening up a brothel for seven days at a local condominium to attract unsuspecting sex buyers. They posted online ads to entice individuals to come forward, engaged in explicit text messages with potential customers, and when those men showed up, they were arrested.

A total of 110 men were locked up and over 100 cars, motorcycles and bikes were impounded. Among those put behind bars were a large number of technology workers and Seattle sports radio morning host Mitch Levy.

According to the police report, Levy placed $160 in cash on a bedside table in anticipation of a half-hour of sex. He told one of the arresting detectives he played golf earlier in the day and was there for a massage. The police report debunks that notion though adding that there was no other reason for Levy to be at the condo other than to buy sex.

Levy was booked into jail on August 26th before posting $500 bail. He’s since been charged with misdemeanor patronizing a prostitute.

KJR officials haven’t yet issued a statement on Levy’s arrest or the station’s plans short-term and long-term for the morning show.

Sales and Programming: One Side, One Team

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Put this one in the “wish somebody would have told me sooner” category. Had I known sooner that the smartest thing an on-air host could do is make relationships with clients and sellers, I might have been able to overcome my painfully average on-air abilities. I might even still be on the programming side.

As it was, I learned this lesson much too late. In the early days, I thought sales did their thing on one side of the building and programming did theirs on the other side, and that was it. No reason for much interaction between the two. Talent came in to do shows and the sales people went out and sold the advertising.

Today, if programming and sales aren’t working hand in hand, coming up with ideas, features and events that sell – you’re dead. It’s the only way it works. My belief is it’s no longer “the programming side” and “the sales side,” it’s one side, one team. Each side needs the support of the other. It’s all about “revenue and ratings,” right? Well, I have news for you – without the revenue the ratings don’t matter. At the same time, you have to have good programming to sell and air talent that can help your clients message stand out and sound authentic.

Note to air talent: your best friends should be those that sit in the cubicles in the sales pit. That is, if you want to be around long. Trust me, this is the best piece of advice you will ever get – get involved with clients, get to know sellers, do things in the community, get involved with charities. In a nutshell – be a star. It’s one of the things you bring to the table. Another is that you know people – and any leads you can provide to sellers are always greatly appreciated. You help a seller make money, they will be more than likely to return the favor when they can.

Another thing – be great at delivering ads. Make the clients business sound like it’s the most important thing to you at that time. Care about the clients that support you and go out of your way to build a relationship with them. It will come back to you in ways you might never have imagined and one day those relationships may save you or get you a job.

Back in the early 2000’s, in the early stages of my management life, I had to let go of an air talent. He was good, but he was loud and obnoxious and a lot of people we talked to about sponsoring his show were afraid of him and the things he might say.Truth be told, it was also time to cut expense, so the decision was made to let him go.

A couple of months later, the same air talent asked to meet with me as he said he had an idea I would like. He said one of the things I mentioned when letting him go, was we were having trouble monetizing his show – and he wanted to know if he could come back if that was no longer a factor. At first, I told him it would always be a factor, so what was it that he proposed he could do about it. He said he would pay us for the time and he would sell the advertising himself.

The young, greedy me was very intrigued, but thought to myself “how will he be able to sell the show and be able to pay us if we weren’t ever able to sell his show?” After the conversation, I thought about it but eventually told him I was concerned he wouldn’t be successful selling and it wasn’t worth the risk of us having to make a change, again, a short time later. He left dejected. Then, he called me back two weeks later and said he had signed contracts with multiple advertisers. Two weeks after that, he was back on the air. To this day he is an incredibly talented host, one of the best in the sports format, who did very well financially selling his own product for years.

You see, he had the relationships with people. Off the air he was very likeable, and loved interacting with people. His personality and natural ability to take over a room, led perfectly to being able to make business relationships with big time advertisers. He never had to worry about whether or not his show would sell, because he was out doing it himself.

Now, sellers, here’s my tip for you: the way to an air talent’s heart goes through either their wallet or their stomachs. Get them paid, get them fed and you will have happy air talent. And you need them. You need them a great deal as they can make your lives so much easier. Most importantly, you need to make sure you’re getting to know them. What are their interests? Where do they shop? What do they need or want? What is their family situation? Knowing all of this can help you prospect and it can help you if you’re ever looking for an air talent to endorse a client or product for you.

We all know that people buy people. They are buying in to a relationship. If they buy advertising, they believe you have something that can help them grow their business. They trust you. Now, couple that with the “familiarity” listeners and prospects have with air talent, where they feel like they know them or that they are friends. Put those two things together and it makes it much more difficult for a prospect to turn down working with you and your station.

The best sales calls are ones where the salesperson can use the celebrity and personality of the air talent to help pitch ideas or just entertain the client, while they handle the business end of things and close the sale.

Strong air talent are good at what they do usually because they are creative. Sellers should use that creativity to their advantage, or more so their clients advantage. If the sellers get the air talent involved and allow them to use more of that creativity, brainstorming ideas or concepts, they will also be more “bought in” to the overall idea that’s decided on.

We are in sports so we should be quite familiar with the concept of teamwork. Sales and programming working together isn’t an optional exercise anymore if you want to win. We have very little in our business that makes selling “easy,” but when it comes to the two sides working together to achieve revenue goals – doing so sure makes selling “easier.”

Dave Greene is the General Sales Manager for 610 Sports in Kansas City. He’s previously served as Vice President and Market Manager for Cumulus Media, Townsquare Media, Flinn Broadcasting, Simmons Media Group, Grand Slam Sports and 590 The Fan KFNS. Follow him on Twitter @DaveGreene34.

Matt Nahigian Out as PD of 97.5 The Fanatic

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Matt Nahigian was named PD of SportsTalk 950 in Philadelphia in May 2007. Since then, he’s led the radio station to a decade of solid growth and success. But despite a great run, Nahigian’s time as The Fanatic’s head of programming has come to an end.

Under Nahigian’s watch, sports radio programs on 950AM moved to the FM dial, changing the radio station’s position to 97.5 The Fanatic. Top local stars such as Mike Missanelli and Anthony Gargano signed on to host shows on the station, and the 76ers and Flyers moved their games over after previously airing on local market competitor Sports Radio 94WIP.

The moves paid dividends as The Fanatic began battling WIP for local ratings bragging rights. In fact, The Fanatic’s success was strong enough to earn recognition from the National Association of Broadcasters, receiving a nomination for the 2017 Marconi Awards.

Why Nahigian is no longer in charge of The Fanatic’s programming department isn’t clear but the radio station now has big shoes to fill. The one positive for the next PD is that they’ll inherit a strong brand with top talent in a passionate sports city. That’s a testament to what Nahigian assembled over the past ten years.

If The Audience Is Hungry, Don’t Make Them Wait To Eat

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One of the biggest challenges sports radio shows face on a daily basis is maximizing air time and diving into valuable content. When you’re on the air for 3-4 hours a day, it can be really hard to create one powerful segment after another. But with audiences on the go, and looking for an immediate return on their time invested, a host must always be dialed in and ready to share a unique opinion and perspective to keep them engaged.

Scott Seidenberg understands that challenge based on his experience working for 98.7FM ESPN New York and hosting a national overnight show for NBC Sports Radio where audiences are much lighter. It may seem smart to sell an audience on returning later for something of quality, but too often we worry about what’s happening later in the show, rather than seizing the moment right in front of us. If we prioritized our content and treated the audience to something of substance, they might spend a few extra minutes with us, and in this radio game of inches, that can make a world of difference.

I asked Scott to put together a few of his thoughts on a subject he was familiar with and passionate about, and I’m happy to share his perspective on the importance of diving into content and avoiding laundry lists. Enjoy!

If The Audience Is Hungry, Don’t Make Them Wait To Eat

Success happens when preparation meets opportunity. It’s an old cliché but a good one. Every good radio host knows the importance of preparation. Some like to outline their thoughts. Others prefer a strict rundown, timing out each segment and topic. We’ve even seen TV shows find success by putting an actual rundown on the screen (think PTI).

But does that mean we should give the radio audience a script to follow? The answer is no.

There’s no need to provide the listener with your “laundry list”. In fact, I would argue its counterproductive. The average radio consumer more times than not, is doing something else while listening to you. They may be driving their car, walking the dog, running on the treadmill at the gym, etc. It’s rare nowadays to find people who just sit down and listen to live radio and give it their full undivided attention. Podcasts, maybe, but live talk radio, not as much. Throw in the fact that time spent listening gets shorter and shorter as attention spans get shorter and shorter and what you have is the cold hard truth – no one is listening to your show in its entirety from start to finish.

It is with this understanding that you must approach your airtime wisely. Every second counts. I think every program director in the country has uttered those words at some point and it’s because it’s absolutely true. I’m not saying this for PPM sake here, but for keeping your audience engaged. You need to hit them with your strongest take right away. No delay.

Why do hosts waste precious seconds (often minutes) providing a list of topics they will eventually get to later on in the show, when those listening to them at that very moment, won’t be around later in the show? I know what you’re thinking, teasing. No! There is a difference between a tease and a “laundry list”. Teasing should only be for what comes up next. Think in terms of the quarter hour. Tease what will come up within that time frame, nothing further. The goal of any tease is to keep the listener hooked so that they stay in their car when they pull into their driveway or think twice before closing the app on their phone. Thus the payoff is equally as important as the tease.

For lack of a better term, you need to instill fear in the listener that they will miss what you have to say on a certain topic. This is why you tease, and then pay it off. Rinse. Repeat. The listener gets used to the pattern and soon trusts that the wait will be worth it.

What happens more times than not with “laundry lists” is that certain topics get lost in the shuffle or get pushed aside due to a lack of time. We’ve all been there. When a topic is good you ride it and sometimes you don’t get to things you planned on during your pre show preparation. The one exclusion to immediate teasing would be appointment listening. If there is a certain time you will have a big name guest on, or a popular show feature, feel free to push that. Other than that, keep your rundown to yourself.

Theres another aspect of this that I want to mention. When providing a list of topics at the beginning of your show, you are delaying the audience from hearing your opinion. After all, thats why they tuned in to hear you right? Every show talks about the same topics, but what separates you is your opinion and personality. Why push that off?

Let me share with you an example.

I was listening to a sports radio show recently, and the top of the hour imaging hit, followed by a series of sound bites. The host then came on, credited the audio sources, and followed up by identifying themselves and throwing out the call in number and their twitter handle. After that, the host announced the list of topics that would be discussed on the show, followed by once again throwing out the number and contact information. When that was over, the host starting giving background information on the first topic.

I looked at my clock and it was 8 minutes past the hour. That means that 8 minutes had gone by and nothing of substance had been said. Meanwhile on another network, after the top of the hour update and the opening imaging, the host immediately dove into the lead topic. 3 minutes past the hour and I was already hearing an opinion.

Ask yourself, which show are you more likely to listen to when those two options are available? Of course, you’re going to choose the 2nd one.

Why should I or any listener wait 5 more minutes to hear an opinion when we’re only in the car for 10 minutes? The first host could have been way more entertaining than the 2nd, and maybe they would’ve had a more interesting take on the same topic. But they hurt their chances of getting me to listen again, because they wasted my time.

Lists are great. They are important to help you prepare for a show. It helps serve as an overall guideline. But for the listener, they don’t care about that. They also don’t care how you prepared for the show. No one wants to know how the sausage is made, they just want to eat it. So feed your audience. Give them your best right away, and you’ll keep them coming back for more. The more you waste their time, or lose their trust, the more you’ll be talking to yourself.

Scott Seidenberg is the host of “Overtime w/Scott Seidenberg” 1am-3am ET on NBC Sports Radio. Follow Scott on Twitter @ScottsOnAir or reach him via email Scott.Seidenberg@gmail.com.

BSM Podcast – Season 2 – Episode 6 – Jay Mariotti – Unmuted Podcast

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Episode 6 of Season 2 features a 60+ minute in-depth conversation with radio host, columnist and national television personality Jay Mariotti. This discussion covers a number of topics including Jay’s belief of ESPN trying to influence others not to hire him, the challenges he’s endured due to domestic allegations, his battles with Chicago sports personalities, attempts from ESPN 1000 to censor him, difficulties with the Chicago Sun-Times, public spats with Scott Van Pelt, and much more.

TOPICS DISCUSSED WITH JAY MARIOTTI

  • Becoming a target of the media and how it’s hurt his career
  • Why he feels the sports media has had an agenda against him
  • Troubles with ESPN and the Chicago Sun-Times and how its hurt him
  • Being in an abusive relationship and what happened in 2010
  • How he feels when others say he hasn’t apologized or been contrite
  • Disputing ESPN being able to influence Entercom’s hiring decisions
  • The way the newspaper business has changed and the future of print
  • What he thinks of groups like The Athletic and their business model
  • Public spats on social media with Scott Van Pelt and how they started
  • His opinion on ESPN’s TV programs and ideas he’d pursue to improve it
  • What he likes about FOX Sports 1 and what their biggest challenges are
  • The future of podcasting and why it’s an attractive medium to him
  • Whether or not he has interest in making a switch over to News/Talk
  • His view on Donald Trump using social media to control his message
  • Why he kept his distance from people he covered and worked with
  • A final message for hiring managers and hoping to find a good fit

FROM THE GUEST

Jay’s Twitter handle: @MariottiSports

R.J. Bell Joining FOX Sports Radio

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FOX Sports Radio is adding Las Vegas sports-betting expert and founder/CEO of Pregame.com, R.J. Bell to the network’s lineup. Just in time for football season, Straight Outta Vegas with R.J. Bell will debut September 1st, broadcasting Fridays from 11p to midnight PT and Saturdays from 10p to midnight PT, on over 300 stations nationwide, as well as FOX Sports Radio’s channel on iHeartRadio and FOX Sports channel 83 on SiriusXM.

Bell and Las Vegas radio personality Steve Cofield, along with Pregame.com’s top analysts, will give FSR listeners a Vegas perspective on the leading sports stories and major games, including how breaking news and injury updates affect the odds. Bell will also feature interviews with the biggest names each week, integrating the best mainstream insight into the Las Vegas conversation.

Bell will continue to contribute to FOX Sports Radio’s 24/7 lineup, including The Herd with Colin Cowherd’s Blazing Five podcast, The JT “The Brick” Show with Tomm Looney, and Steve Gorman SPORTS.

“We’re making history,” shared Bell. “This is the first Vegas sports show on a major national radio network. FOX Sports Radio understands that even those who don’t bet on sports want to know who the favorites and underdogs are – it’s not a ‘hot take’ when the opinion is backed by cold cash. Pregame is honored to break this ground and we’re ready to produce a show different than any other, a show worthy of the faith shown in us.”

“We’re excited to welcome R.J. Bell to FOX Sports Radio, adding to the strongest lineup of sports-talk personalities in the industry,” shared Scott Shapiro, Vice President of Sports Programming for Premiere Networks and FOX Sports Radio. “There has never been more demand for the Vegas perspective in the world of sports. R.J. has proven to be a credible national voice for years who brings a uniquely interesting outlook for both casual and hardcore sports fans.”

Selling Passion in Sports Radio

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I am one of the lucky ones. At a young age, I would take my Fisher-Price recorder and tape St. Louis Cardinals baseball games, sit in my bed and listen back to them. That’s when I knew I wanted to be in broadcasting. More specifically, in radio.

I started at 19. I interned. I ran the board. I produced. I did updates. I did high school and college play by play. I did a morning sports show. I’ve been a PD. I’ve been a GM. I’ve been a Regional GM. I’ve been a Market Manager. I’ve been in an ownership group. Currently, I am heading up sports sales as a GSM for Entercom in Kansas City.

I have an incredible passion for radio (my wife refers to it as a sickness!). It’s what I do and it’s all I know. And I love it. I love it today more than ever, now that the focus is more on targeting an audience (which sports radio has been doing for 30 years) and integrating our core product with digital and what can really set you apart – events. If I won the lottery tomorrow, I’d be at the station the next day. I’d be late, but I’d be there.

I hope to bring that same passion to this column each week and maybe even throw out a good idea or two along the way. I also want to feature top sellers and managers in the format, so if you know of someone that should be featured, please reach out to me – david.greene@entercom.com.

Mostly, I will just be sharing tales from a twenty-three year journey that is only just beginning. Like this one…

I was having a conversation with a General Sales Manager of our News-Talk stations the other day. It was after-hours, just a couple of GSM’s chatting about this and that.

Somehow, the topic of hiring new Account Executives turned to selling ideas and integrating sales in with programming. Being in a cluster of 8 stations, 4 spoken-word and 4 music, we were going through some of the stations and thinking of the features and sponsorships that could be sold. When the conversation ended, we both realized just how fortunate we feel to be selling spoken word radio.

For me, specifically, sports radio – or as I like to call it: “The NASCAR of radio formats,” because everything is for sale, and it’s the most sales friendly format out there.

If done correctly, sports radio sales should be about the passion for sports, the teams, the players, the fans…whatever the client is passionate about. And there’s a good chance that most clients or prospects will be passionate about something in the world of sports. Dig for that passion and find a way to make it part of the idea/solution you present, and your chances of closing a deal go up exponentially.

I was GM for Flinn Broadcasting’s WHBQ in Memphis back in the early 2000’s when this first worked like a charm for me. I walked in to a business, and on the wall was a large mural with Bear Bryant all over it. And when I say this was a large mural, it was huge.

The client and I talked SEC football (I mainly listened) for an hour and I sold him a package to be a sponsor of the Memphis Grizzlies broadcast, which we had spent approximately 45 seconds discussing. I told the client that we were running an SEC football report (something that came down from a network), and that if he bought the Grizzlies sponsorship, I would make him the sponsor of the SEC football report AND make sure the Alabama report was always first (little did he know the reports went in alphabetical order).

The lesson for me was that once I discovered his passion for the Crimson Tide, when the mural darn near smacked me in the face, my strategy completely changed. I went in and got him going on SEC football and found a way to tie his love in and closed a deal.

This can be done in sports radio easier than in any other format. Not every client or prospect is going to be as open about their passion as Bear Bryant’s biggest fan in Memphis, but sports is such a universal language that it is a great topic to try and connect with the person across from you.

Sports radio (and news-talk to a lesser degree) allows you the flexibility to make these “passion plays.” It allows you to create a piece of content or a feature to tie in with an advertiser’s interests or tag line or overall ad strategy. The format lends itself to being creative to create revenue – which is why I feel most fortunate to be selling it.

ESPN Radio Host Ryen Russillo Arrested

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ESPN has sustained another black eye. Radio host Ryen Russillo, who hosts middays 1p-4p ET on ESPN Radio, has been arrested in Jackson, Wyoming and charged with criminal entry.

According to the Jackson Hole News and Guide, police responded to a report at 3:30am of a male being highly intoxicated, naked and refusing to leave a condo which Russillo wasn’t staying at. The two people who were in the condo were asleep at the time when they heard someone come in. They found Russillo laying in a bedroom with his pants around his ankles and after he refused to leave, police were called.

The local police report stated that Russillo had bloodshot eyes and slurred speech and didn’t know where he was. It appears that he thought the condo was where he was staying and there were no signs of forced entry.

Russillo has been with ESPN since 2006. Company officials have told Michael McCarthy of the Sporting News that they are looking into the situation.

BSM Podcast – Season 2 – Episode 5 – Bob Stelton – 710 ESPN

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For the 5th episode of Season 2 Jason reconnects with a former colleague, 710 ESPN Seattle midday host Bob Stelton. The conversation includes a trip down memory lane examining the various stops of Bob’s broadcasting career, reflections of his time working with the late Bryan Burwell, MMA’s place on sports radio shows, what he’s learned from working under a number of top notch programmers and much more.

SUBJECTS COVERED WITH BOB STELTON

  • When he first took an interest in sports talk radio
  • Interning and board oping for Sports Radio KJR in Seattle
  • What he learned from PD Tom Lee and morning host Mitch Levy
  • Working his way up as a fill-in host at KJR and always saying yes
  • Landing on Sporting News Radio’s radar despite not being a FT host
  • His role at Sporting News  and everything it involved each week
  • Finding himself unemployed for the first time and how it happened
  • Being contacted for a possible hosting opportunity in St. Louis
  • His memories of working with Bryan Burwell and learning of his passing
  • Flying solo in St. Louis, having great success and how he did it
  • How an out of market host should approach getting over in a new city
  • Developing characters on a show and how they stick with the audience
  • Receiving the call to return home and host for 710 ESPN Seattle
  • How his midday show on 710 has evolved since the time it started
  • The growing interest in MMA and its place on a sports talk radio show
  • Creating features, why they work, and how often they should be refreshed
  • What he learned from PD’s Tom Lee, Brian Long, Mike Salk & Matt Nahigian
  • Quick Hits – Best Seattle athlete, Top host, Seattle radio, Hardest part of hosting