The revamped CBS Evening News is going back to its former fast-paced news presentation just weeks into a change that has seen the venerable newscast slip in the ratings.
As the program transitioned away from previous anchor Norah O’Donnell, it had adopted a format similar to that of 60 Minutes, featuring fewer stories with longer run times and more in-depth reporting.
However, ratings have continued to slide since the new format debuted in late January. For the three weeks preceding the anchor change with the CBS News program, it had averaged 5.1 million total viewers. During the week of January 27th, when the show began being helmed by John Dickerson, Maurice DuBois, and Margaret Brennan, CBS Evening Newsaveraged 4.8 million viewers. That figure was down slightly compared to the previous week, which saw an average audience of 4.9 million viewers.
The ratings have continued to slide in the weeks following the change from O’Donnell to the new format. In its third week with the news magazine style, CBS Evening News had fallen to an average of 4.5 million nightly viewers.
Ratings challenges for the heritage news brand aren’t a new problem. When it was anchored by O’Donnell, the CBS News show continually finished in third place behind ABC World News Tonight with David Muir and NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt.
Beginning this week, CBS News has returned the nightly newscast to a higher story count with shorter run times, shifting it away from the 60 Minutes-like presentation. The network had tasked 60 Minutes Executive Producer Bill Owens with also overseeing the newscast after the exit of O’Donnell.
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Coming off a thrilling 4 Nations Face-Off break, hockey is now set to resume its regular season starting tomorrow. For St. Louis Blues fans, there’s even more excitement beyond Blues goaltender Jordan Binnington’s standout performance for Team USA. Notably, the first game as the regular season continues will be available over-the-air in the Kansas City market.
In a major announcement today, KCTV5 revealed that Saturday’s game between the Blues and the Winnipeg Jets will be the first of three games aired locally on over-the-air television. The contest will also be shown along with various Gray Media affiliate stations across the Midwest. Furthermore, the partnership between KCTV and the St. Louis Blues will feature Saturday’s game against Winnipeg, as well as the March 8 matchup against the Los Angeles Kings and the March 25 game against the Montreal Canadiens.
Saturday’s broadcast between the Blues and Jets marks a historic moment—it will be the first time in fifteen years that a Blues game will be presented for free on local television.
Commenting on the partnership, Blues President and CEO of Business Operations, Chris Zimmerman, emphasized the significance of the collaboration. “Considering our long-standing relationship with Gray Media and their presence across the Midwest, they are a perfect partner to help us explore our broadcasting options as part of our ongoing efforts to grow our reach among existing and future Blues fans,” Zimmerman said.
Zimmerman added, “The opportunity to deliver a package of local Blues broadcasts through over-the-air television was a valuable addition to our latest broadcast agreement.”
Echoing this sentiment, KCTV5 vice president and general manager Curtis Miles expressed his enthusiasm for bringing more hockey coverage to Kansas City sports fans.
“We know how much people love sports in Kansas City,” said Miles. “Broadcasting these Blues games is another great way for us to give local viewers what they want.”
KCTV5 and KSMO-TV are thrilled to announce the return of over-the-air NHL hockey broadcasts to the Kansas City market! https://t.co/utvAfmsjAG
The NHL 4 Nations Face-Off which concluded Thursday night saw the biggest stars of the NHL compete in a world cup-style tournament that shattered viewership records for the league. Building off the momentum, the broadcasts on KCTV5 will maintain the same high production quality, featuring the FanDuel Sports Network talent and crew, including play-by-play announcer John Kelly, analyst Jamie Rivers, and reporter Andy Strickland.
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Connor McDavid scored a game-winning overtime goal for Canada as the team secured a victory in the inaugural 4 Nations Face-Off tournament over the United States. The 3-2 victory marked a seminal moment in Canadian hockey history as the team prepares to challenge other programs from around the world next year as NHL players return to the Olympic Games being held in Milan and Cortina. Joe Rose, morning show host on WQAM in Miami, Fla., was watching the game on ESPN as several Florida Panthers competed in the matchup, and he discussed the penchant he has for viewing sports even if it coincides with days off.
Rose explained that his wife has stated that she does not understand why he watches sports when off, and it led producer Danny “Hollywood” Rabinowitz to expound on the sentiment. Rabinowitz articulated that it ultimately comes down to sports being drama and thus keeping the audience enthralled in the action. The hype surrounding the game also affected the interest from Rose’s perspective, expressing that it was “great” and that there is a reason why boxing and wrestling are promoted in such a manner.
“There are a lot of events that we watch year round, whether they mean anything in your favorite league or, ‘Are there playoffs?,’ and you’re going, ‘Eeh, it’s okay. It’s a best-of-seven, it doesn’t matter about tonight,’” Rose outlined. “I haven’t had that feeling that I had last night since obviously the Stanley Cup, but that doesn’t happen a lot where you get that [with] what you got last night for watching.”
Within his discourse, Rose divulged that he was effectively consumed into watching the game and enjoyed the action, spending several segments on the morning show talking about the action and potential residual effects. While the final viewership number for the championship has not yet been released, the six previous games within the tournament averaged 1.8 million viewers across TNT Sports and ESPN platforms. Moreover, the first game between the United States and Canada collected 10.1 million viewers across the continent, which is up 203% from the last matchup between the two teams at the 2016 World Cup of Hockey.
“That thing was incredible,” Rabinowitz said. “It’ll probably be only outdone by the Olympics in one year.”
“One year from now,” Rose replied, “and that thing’s going to be huge, and that gold medal means a lot to whoever’s going to win, and I’m guessing Canada’s going to go in as the favorite.”
Florida Panthers forward Matthew Tkachuk was playing on Team USA during the tournament, but he suffered an injury in the first game between the two teams on Saturday and played part of the championship matchup. Yet he did not return to action following a shift near the end of the second period, eliciting concern among hockey fans regarding the severity of his ailment. Rose explained that while he enjoyed the tournament, he understands that Tkachuk is among the best players on the Panthers. In fact, he told listeners that if it ends up being a while before Tkachuk is able to return, callers can tell him that he was wrong.
“You don’t have to change the way you feel about it,” Rabinowitz concluded. “You don’t have to be a fraud because that tournament was awesome, and it clearly meant the world to those guys, so it is what it is.”
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NBC Sports is beginning to build its talent roster as the network is set to begin the first season of an 11-year media rights deal with the NBA next season. Just days after adding Reggie Miller to the roster as a lead analyst for broadcasts and Jamal Crawford earlier in the month, former NBA guard Gilbert Arenas mentioned on his YouTube stream last night that he’s in talks with the network as well.
“I had a meeting with NBC,” said Arenas on a live stream earlier this week. “They’re still auditioning and interviewing other guests that could be a part of the show. So I had my meeting, and the perspective that they’re coming from is crazy.”
Arenas has been a fixture in NBA media since retiring from the league in 2012. The former NBA guard owns his own No Chill Productions podcast, titled No Chill Podcast, and in 2023 launched another highly successful podcast called Gil’s Arena in partnership with Underdog Fantasy Sports, which he hosts with Josiah Johnson, Brandon Jennings, Rashad McCants, Lexie Brown, and Kenyon Martin.
He continued to reveal his personal concerns about joining the NBC broadcast team while balancing his own brand’s schedule. Arenas notes he’s appreciative of the conversation and looks forward to seeing if he’ll be selected.
“It’s a good crazy that people want me, and I’m very thankful for just the opportunities that I put myself back in position to be wanted,” said Arenas. “Even if I don’t get the job, the fact that I’m even in the running—somebody brought me up to the point where they’re sitting down having 8 o’clock meetings. I’m really grateful for that.”
NBC has reportedly been looking to add former NBA forward Carmelo Anthony to the roster as a studio analyst in recent weeks. It has already been announced that Mike Tirico will serve as the lead play-by-play voice of the property, and Frank DiGraci has been named the coordinating producer for the coverage as well.
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Podcast advertising continued to grow through 2024, with the final quarter of the year finishing with a 19% increase in spending compared to the previous year, data from Magellan AI shows.
Additionally, spending rose 14% compared to the previous quarter, as marketers took advantage of large audiences in advance of the holiday spending season.
According to data compiled by Magellan AI, the top 10 podcast advertisers spent a projected $124 million during October, November, and December.
Amazon was the top podcast marketer, spending an estimated $22.2 million to earn the top spot. Activision, a leading video game publisher marketing its latest release from the Call of Duty franchise, spent $17.1 million to vault into second place on the top spenders list. BetterHelp, one of the largest and most reliable podcast advertisers, decreased its spending during the fourth quarter as it dropped to third on the list with $15.1 million in spending.
T-Mobil ($13.7 million) and Toyota ($10.2 million) rounded out the top five.
Despite the overall uptick in podcast advertising, four of the top 10 spenders actually decreased their buys with the medium during the final three-month stretch of the calendar year. Activision was joined by sports betting firm FanDuel as the only marketers inside the top 10 to increase their advertising with podcasting during the fourth quarter.
Magellan AI also shared metrics on how the advertisements were presented to listeners. During the fourth quarter, 41% of ads were 30 seconds. That was the most popular avenue for podcaster advertisers, as 16% were 60-seconds in length, while 11% of podcast ads were 15 seconds.
Among the other findings in Magellan’s quarterly update is that 41% of ads run during Q4 were 30 seconds, making that length the most popular pick among advertisers. Another 11% of ads were 15 seconds, while 16% were a minute in length. The majority of ads — 55% — were showcased as midrolls, while 29% were presented as pre-rolls, and 16% were featured after the conclusion of the podcast episode.
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ESPN has announced the signing of Quentin Richardson to serve as an NBA analyst across its coverage of the league, bringing the 13-year league veteran to the network airwaves. Under his new role, Richardson is going to be making regular appearances on SportsCenter and ESPN digital platforms where he will discuss matters taking place around the Association. The move marks the latest step in Richardson’s media career, which has included studio appearances on NBA TV and select game live streams on NBA League Pass.
In addition to his work on linear television platforms, Richardson has co-hosted the Knuckleheads podcast alongside Darius Miles, a weekly show that takes place through The Players’ Tribune. The show includes a variety of special guests, athletes and entertainers who discuss current events and stories from the world of sports and culture. This podcast has been releasing new episodes since 2019 and features a variety of compelling interviews and discussions.
The addition of Richardson comes shortly before The Walt Disney Company commences a new 11-year media rights deal with the NBA. Under the forthcoming contract, the media conglomerate will continue televising the NBA Finals on ABC, along with other playoff action and the distribution of 80 regular-season games per year. The company is also going to be sublicensing the award-winning studio program, Inside the NBA, from TNT Sports that will keep Ernie Johnson, Charles Barkley, Kenny “The Jet” Smith and Shaquille O’Neal on the airwaves surrounding marquee events.
Data from Nielsen Media Research demonstrates that NBA viewership was down 5% year-over-year entering the second half of the season, averaging 1.76 million viewers on ESPN and TNT platforms. Ahead of the NBA All-Star Break, ESPN averaged 2.01 million viewers for the Los Angeles Lakers debut of superstar guard Luka Dončić, marking the most-watched NBA game on cable in over two months. ESPN has extended several of its NBA on-air talent this season, including Danny Green, Angel Gray, Tim Bontemps and Bobby Marks, while also adding skilled reporters such as Shams Charania and Zach Kram.
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In April of 2012, ESPN began leasing an FM station in New York from Emmis. The station, 98.7 FM would start out with a price tag of $8.5 million dollars per year – for a LEASE! The agreement also reportedly had a 3.5% annual increase. At the time, I suppose that all sounded like a great deal. A big FM stick in New York, for the low, low price of somewhere north of $125 million dollars over the 12 years. To lease a radio station, and then simply give it back to its owners.
We all know what ended up happening. Well, first what happened is CBS decided they, too, needed an FM signal for WFAN since they now had competition. And what did they do? They went and bought 101.9 FM for $75 million to counter ESPN. At least their $75 million allowed them to own it.
Good Karma, who ended up with 98.7 in their deal with ESPN, finally said enough is enough and did not renew the lease deal last year and instead worked out a deal with the parent company of their biggest competitor. Such is the strange world of radio these days.
In the end Emmis ended up with 98.7 back and reportedly was asking $50 million dollars for the signal. And that is why we now have ‘New York’s La Exitosa 98.7 FM/1190 AM’, a bilingual adult contemporary format, playing English and Spanish language hits from the 1980s through the 2000s. Try saying that five times fast.
Now, we all know there is more of a chance of $50 million falling out of the sky than Emmis getting anywhere near that amount of money for the station, unless somehow, we all get transported back to 1995. I don’t think they could get half of what they ‘think’ it’s worth, especially considering the two biggest companies aren’t players as they are at the limit in the market.
What is that signal worth? First of all, we know the worth is what someone is willing to pay for it, so all we know now is the value of it is clearly south of $50 million. Secondly, value also ties into what the future value would be. And that is where the real concern comes in.
I started to really think about this recently for two reasons. One is that I was asked by someone to help sell a signal and the lack of response at the price point is astonishing. And worse, the conversations I have had with some local station owners made me depressed. They all just sound so defeated, and most don’t seem to have any ideas as to what to do next.
Then, this morning, I open my email and a regular eblast I have gotten for years from a media broker had almost 50 radio stations listed in it for sale. I remember the days of opening that email and seeing ten stations listed – maybe 20 at most. Today, it was 50 and it struck me. So, I went back to an email from the same person from months before and I saw something scarier. All the same stations were listed. None of them are moving.
Here’s my fear: Is this just the beginning of what is about to happen where stations may be for sale, but nobody wants to buy any of them? Then what’s the value of the radio signals, whether in New York or Wilkes-Barre?
These are indeed scary times. And of all of this, the scariest part were those owners who I sensed had given up. They go in each day and do the same things they have always done but somehow expect things to change. I don’t know much, but I’m certain that will only lead to more and more failure.
The Best/Worst Thing I’ve Heard/Watched/Read Recently
It was great to read the news about Joe Buck returning to the MLB broadcast booth. The former FOX Sports announcer, now with ESPN, will be calling an Opening Day contest between the New York Yankees and the Milwaukee Brewers.
It was even better to read Joe’s take on why he was doing it:
“Only doing this because I missed the ‘why do you hate the Yankees’ shots on twitter (it was twitter then) and add the Brewers fans who think I don’t like Milwaukee or the Packers or cheese,” he wrote. “Both sides are WRONG. Anyway, it’s gonna be fun. Can’t wait actually. Saddle up!”
Earlier this week, John Mamola posted a feature on The Paulie & Tony Fusco Show, which was recognized earlier this year for the second year in a row as the ‘Best Sports Comedy’ Podcast
Mamola explained, “What was once an idea in a morning meeting has now turned into a successful passion project for both Samson and Ali. The Paulie & Tony Fusco Show, distributed by iHeartPodcasts and FOX Sports Radio, is a satire of sports talk radio and “hot take” media personalities hailing from the City of Brotherly Love. While the show is not built on any one specific personality from the past or present voices of the market, the building blocks of how the show is written and produced lean on the tools of the trade from both Samson and Ali’s radio beginnings.”
The show is hilarious. If you have not checked it out, make a point to do so.
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Scott Rizzuto is the host of “The Rizzuto Show” on 105.7 The Point, St. Louis. The show has been on the station for eleven years and was recently voted by peers as the number two Alternative show in Barret Media’s Top 20 Of 2024. The New York City native moved to St. Louis in 2003.
His first radio experience was as an intern at K-Rock WXRK in 1998. He stayed on and worked in the promotions department, then moved to WHTG for a while before working at Sirius Satellite Radio.
When an opportunity opened at The Point in St. Louis in early 2003. Rizzuto’s friend Woody Fife, who he worked with at K-Rock, and who was doing afternoon drive at The Point, asked if he was interested in moving to the Midwest. Rizzuto met with PD Tommy Mattern, fell in love with the station and the city of St. Louis and hasn’t left since.
“I started out doing nights on The Point,” explains Rizzuto. “I briefly did afternoon drive, and in 2006, I moved to mid-days and became music director. A new opportunity arose when my good buddy Woody came back to The Point in 2009, and I had a chance to team up with him for ‘The Woody and Rizzuto Morning Show.’ We had a blast! We dominated the market, and I had the chance to learn how to do mornings.’ There was no better teacher than Woody.”
“After a five-year run, Woody left for Los Angeles in 2014 to become the biggest syndicated radio host in the country, and I stayed back in St. Louis. For some reason, Tommy Mattern had the confidence in me to let me continue doing mornings as ‘The Rizzuto Show.’”
After a few lineup changes, including the untimely death of co-host Jeff Burton from Prostate Cancer in 2022, the full show now includes Moon, who has been with the show since the beginning and is also the guitarist for the legendary ska band Goldfinger, Lern Elwell who joined in 2023, Rafe Williams, a touring stand-up comedian who also joined in 2023, and King Scott.
“One of the best things about our show is that we don’t play characters,” says Rizzuto. “We’re all ourselves on the air. People see through a phony. You ever watch a YouTube video and say, ‘That’s fake!?’ I hate that! We all have unique personalities, and we all bring something different to the table.”
“I’m the curmudgeon who likes to stay home and sees the negative first in everything. Moon is our sensitive rock star that the ladies love. Lern is the sassy bleeding heart that loves cats and isn’t afraid to tell me to go eff myself. Rafe is quick with an irreverent one-liner or a funny story about growing up dirt-poor in a small town in Southern Illinois. King Scott is one of the kindest human beings you’ll meet. He is very religious and was a virgin till the age of 39 when he got married.”
“The Rizzuto Show is your distraction from what’s going on in the world today. We never talk politics. I like to keep it light,” insists Rizzuto. “There’s a certain edge to our show, but it’s never mean-spirited. I also like to keep it local. People in St. Louis love to hear about things in St. Louis.”
“ Sure, we talk about our local sports teams, but we also talk about local restaurants, community happenings, and things that our listeners are dealing with and can relate to.
“We are St. Louis through and through, and I know it’s something that’s appreciated. Syndicated shows just don’t work in this town. They’ve tried. I love being part of what makes this city great. If I could bring some joy to someone’s otherwise miserable day or existence, mission accomplished.”
With such a big cast on the show, it’s got to be quite a task to keep everyone focused, but Rizzuto says everyone has their different responsibilities, and they all stay on track. “For example, Lern will write her celebrity news segment up,” explains Rizzuto. “Moon will gather up all our emails for a segment, and Rafe will come up with contesting for prizes.”
“I get to the station at 3:15 every morning. I set the show schedule. I start researching interesting topics for the day, things that I think would make for good, interesting, and funny discussions.
“Rarely do I tell my crew what we’re going to talk about. The team is so talented that their natural reactions to things is what makes the best radio. I also love to push their buttons and bust their chops, so letting them know beforehand would ruin the magic, in my opinion. Sometimes, I’ll be sitting at my desk before the show chuckling, and I’ll hear someone say, ‘Uh oh!’ knowing I’ve got something up my sleeve.”
As for balancing career and personal life, Rizzuto says it can sometimes be a tough road. “Thank the lord I’ve got a very understanding wife,” he adds. “This job seeps its way into everyone connected to us, in the biz or not.”
“I’ve got two teenagers at home who have to live with the fact that their dad talks about his personal life on the air. When I get home, I’m dad. I make dinner. I’m the hockey dad who cheers for his son’s team. I’m the cheer dad who attempts a high ponytail on his daughter’s head before a football game.”
“I try to the best of my ability to be present for my wife and kids. I just have a weird job with very weird hours. Yes… I talk about my life and that includes being a dad, but I also know that I don’t have to share everything. My kids didn’t choose this life; I did.”
One of the biggest challenges the show has faced over the years was when they lost Jeff Burton to Cancer. “We were all, obviously, devastated,” says Rizzuto. “He was a great friend, a great co-host, and a BELOVED member of the community.”
“The outpouring of sorrow, love, and support from the people in the city is something that I can’t even describe. Jeff was on the air up until he physically couldn’t do it anymore. He’s still mentioned on the show almost daily. Listeners continue to offer their condolences and stories about how he touched them in some way. I miss him and think about him every day.”
As for how the business has changed since Rizzuto started, “When I first got into radio, we were still pulling carts and CDs. The first studio I worked in didn’t even have a computer or a way of getting onto the internet,” he says. “But listeners have more access to us now than ever before. Way back when, when you wanted to take a break, you could just put the phones on hold. Now, with social media, instant feedback through the station app, a text line… it NEVER STOPS.”
“With that being said… all that stuff is great if used correctly, like mining for stuff we can use on air. It can also be a great big distraction. I’ve had show members get lost in some of that stuff, and I have to snap them out of it.”
“But everybody has a voice now. Everybody has an opinion. Now, there are a million different ways to tell a host how much you LOVE them, and you LOVE what they’re doing. There are also a million different avenues for people to tell you how a bit SUCKS, or you SUCK, for that matter. I’ve learned that you take the good AND the bad and use it all.”
Rizzuto has mixed feelings about the use of AI in the radio business. “A couple of years ago, when people were RAVING about AI Ashley doing middays at a station in Oregon, I was super pissed,” he says. “Why would anybody who is on the air be excited about something that could potentially replace you? Remember when there was no such thing as voice-tracking and every daypart needed to have a live human in-studio? I do.”
“On the other side of things, I understand that something like ChatGPT or Google’s Gemini could be used as a tool to help with writing and on the creative side of things. I’ll use AI to summarize articles for me if I need something in a pinch.”
“Maybe I’m just stuck in my old ways and haven’t fully wrapped my head around the whole AI thing yet? Maybe I don’t fully know how to utilize and harness its power. It could be that I’m just a middle-aged man shaking my fist and yelling at the clouds. How will this impact our business? Unfortunately, I think that AI Ashley is coming for a lot of jobs.”
As far as what’s ahead for The Rizzuto Show, “We’re always trying to come up with something new. Hubbard Radio has put a lot of resources towards podcasting and video production. We’ve got a couple of video series rolling out this year,” explains Rizzuto. “For example, The Rizzlympics and a couple of new podcasts, A music podcast called ‘Story of the Gear’ with Moon, and a sports gambling podcast called ‘The Spread Zone.’”
“And every year, we do a live stage show where we have 2000 of our closest friends out at a concert venue. We call it ‘Rizz Show Live.’ This isn’t just five stools, a couple of microphones, and we’ll see what happens. This is a full-on production with confetti cannons and music bits. The yet-to-be-announced 2025 version will be bigger and better than ever. Stay tuned.”
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The Country Radio Seminar is winding down today. Tonight is the always anticipated “New Faces Show.”
Attending the seminar always reinvigorates you. Don’t lose that. Return to your market and immediately start implementing the ideas and promotions you were excited about.
Too often, we return to our markets with new ideas and things we want to implement. Then, the reality of all your duties and meetings enters your conscience, and you will slip right back into your routine, and all the things you learned will fall into the background and eventually slip away.
One trick I had was an agreement with a good friend in the format that we would schedule a call each Friday afternoon. The idea was to keep the ideas alive and let each other know what we had implemented and how it worked.
I didn’t want to be on the call each week and say I had done nothing.
The research presentation is always fantastic. But tread carefully. It’s a great tool, but making significant adjustments just off that could be a terrible mistake. It’s not local research.
Look at the findings, especially listening habits, what Country listeners consume, and where, and proceed very carefully from there.
I’m confident that you made some new acquaintances. If you interacted with format and industry leaders, take the time to email them when you get back to tell them how much you enjoyed the conversation.
This is a way to put a long tail on CRS, and it will help cement a spot in the person’s memory. This includes label reps and vendors. You never know when they will have a job posting that interests you.
It also wouldn’t hurt to email RJ Curtis and share your thoughts. Offer to be on the agenda committee, a panel, or help with room counts. I’m certain you will be surprised at the response you receive.
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Community Connections:
103.5 KTU, New York, hosted its annual winter coat drive and collected 670 coats for needy New Yorkers.
Alice 105.9 Denver recently held the 24th annual “Alice 105.9 Cares for Kids Radiothon.” The radiothon raised $1.1 million for the Children’s Hospital Colorado.
Lite Rock 97.3 Ithaca raised $13,000 with its Wine and Dine 2025. Proceeds benefit the local United Way.
99.5 The River Albany, NY, is broadening its annual charity initiative, “99.5 The River Pay Less for the Dress.” This year’s event will span two days and aim to provide more local teenagers with access to affordable prom attire.
Industry Happenings:
Mentoring and Inspiring Women in Radio has opened applications for the Mentoring and Inspiring Women in Country Radio program.
Designed to support Women in leadership roles in Country Radio, the one-year program provides direct access to industry leaders to support career development.
Compass Media’s “Y’All Access With Kelly Sutton” has crossed the 50-affiliate mark by adding Froggy 101.7 and 104.9 Frankfurt, KY, and Zia Country 99.5 KXPZ Las Cruces, NM.
B-Dub Radio, hosted by Bryan “B-Dub” Washington, has reached 50 affiliates, including the recent addition of WIL-FM in St. Louis.
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Over a span of several months at KNBR, Greg Silver had been working after Golden State Warriors games on Dubs OT postgame shows with insider John Dickinson. Following a packed stretch of games, Silver decided to take advantage of a three-day gap in the schedule by flying down to Los Angeles, Calif. to visit his grandparents. Shortly after his plane landed, he discovered that the station had laid off longtime personalities John Lund and Tom Tolbert, creating hosting vacancies in the midday and afternoon time slots. Silver then received a message from program director Mike Hohler and market manager Larry Blumhagen asking if he could meet with them and subsequently joined a call that would change his career.
Silver discovered that the station wanted to pair him with San Francisco 49ers play-by-play announcer Greg Papa on the midday show, forming a new duo on the airwaves in the middle of the fall sports season. With all the sudden changes taking place, he was shocked at being afforded a chance to work in this capacity and appreciative of the venture.
“I had been climbing my way up the ladder over the span of a couple of years, but it felt like more than just kind of the next step up,” Silver said. “So obviously I was very grateful to have that opportunity, but it was a ton to process between the people that had been let go.”
Silver did not evince the layoffs to represent windfall for younger employees to advance at the station, and he found the occurrence unfortunate because of the strong culture that he felt had been established. Reflecting on the legacy of Lund and Tolbert, he considers them both to be consummate professionals and understands the potential frustration of the audience in the abrupt nature of these moves. On top of that, the external perception of KNBR had been wavering with previous cuts, show cancellations and employing three different program directors in four years.
“I can’t blame the public whatsoever for the way they reacted to those moves because radio is a very interpersonal business,” Silver said. “Even if you don’t know these people directly, if you’re tuning in to listen to their shows and they’re on the air for 20 hours in a given week, you feel like you get to know them, and there’s a personable element. So when that gets taken away from you on no notice, it’s not just a shock to the workplace and everyone that had to kind of pick up those pieces and recover.”
Plenty of mixed emotions this week, and I take no pleasure in seeing friends and colleagues walk out the door.
I am also overwhelmed with gratitude and excitement to begin this new chapter with Greg Papa and @Walleezzy
Silver is the son of award-winning sportswriter Mike Silver, who is currently a senior writer covering the NFL for The Athletic. Throughout his youth, Greg Silver watched his father convey an indefatigable work ethic and dedication to the craft. In addition, he always treated everyone around him with respect and dignity while networking to forge positive relationships in the business. Concurrent with Silver’s midday debut this past December, KNBR also added Greg Papa’s son, Derek, to the afternoon drive program with Adam Copeland. Even though they carry eminent surnames, Silver wants to prove himself to the audience and combat preconceived notions surrounding nepotism.
“You can’t ever control how people are going to react and what they’re going to say, but I can control not acting like a nepo baby and all of those stereotypes,” Silver said. “So just showing up, being a team player, being willing to work hard [and] pay my dues. Just take as much advice you can from people who have done this a lot longer and people that are smarter than you.”
Bruce Gilbert, the senior vice president of sports for Cumulus Media and Westwood One, informed Silver that there is no substitute for on-air repetitions, meaning that continuing to host will assist in establishing more synergy with Papa. The show will be broadcasting from the NFL Scouting Combine next week, an experience that Silver believes will help the program bond. Yet throughout this endeavor, he is trying to recognize his strengths while also supporting his colleagues and striving to offer his best.
“I do try to just move forward and learn a ton along the way,” Silver said. “When you’re paired with somebody like Greg Papa, who knows as much he knows, it almost just forces it upon you to keep working to try to soak up as much as you can all the time.”
Regardless of the 35-year age gap between the two hosts, Silver feels that he has been able to foster rapport with Papa and bond over football. As part of his multifaceted role, he is trying to position Papa to shine and demonstrate his encyclopedic knowledge of local sports. Adequately setting him up to thrive and fulfilling his obligations with a keen awareness of the audience has permitted the show to succeed, and it recently garnered an 18th-place finish in their category during the recent Barrett Media Top 20 series.
Silver does not worry about the specific ranking strata but is appreciative to have received an indication that the transition is going well. In being a new member of the show, he attributes much of the success to Papa and Lund and how they were able to resonate with the audience.
“I am young in this business, and it is my job to help make the show fun and informative and entertaining,” Silver said. “There are not a lot of people like Greg Papa in terms of the knowledge they’ve accumulated and the skill of broadcasting, and if you’re a fan of the teams in this market, then that’s absolutely the place to go.”
Duck and cover! Papa was unleashing a take quake this morning:
"I, personally, would rather have a basketball team with Anthony Davis on it than Luka Doncic — and if you're gonna give me Max Christie as well?!" 🤯 pic.twitter.com/srKdt1Xijw
Aside from his role co-hosting the midday show, Silver is also the co-producer of the program and has other obligations to compile the overall sound. Facilitating the balance of these responsibilities comes through getting ahead on work and creating elements that will advance the show. Furthermore, he is also trying to find ways to keep everyone engaged, present new angles on topics and bring creativity to his work.
“I don’t think that the job is about having to do anything specific as far as, ‘Do X, Y and Z as a radio host,’ or, ‘You have to do X, Y and Z in terms of your personality,’” Silver said. “It’s really just, ‘How can you be your best self for 20 hours of the week and find a way to make that sustainable?’”
Silver has hosted programs before dating back to his time as a college student at UC Santa Barbara and also had the chance to call sporting events on the campus station. Since joining KNBR in April 2023, he has chimed in on select evening, overnight and weekend programming while continuing to freelance as a play-by-play announcer. As a regular part of the weekday prime lineup, he remains cognizant that the listening population had been familiar with a consistent midday pairing for half a decade.
“You can’t always please people,” Silver explained. “I’ve really gotten out of that mindset of being in the people-pleasing business because if you do that, you’re going to drive yourself crazy but also taking seriously the role of trying to put what you believe is going to be a good product for your audience out there.”
Being situated in the building, Silver can discern the leadership of Hohler, who was promoted to the program director role last July, and he is appreciative of his relaxed approach while also managing logistics and personnel. Silver has also had good conversations with Blumhagen despite not meeting regularly, but he always greets him when they cross paths. With profound respect and veneration towards the company executives as they navigate a media landscape with reduced advertising revenue, he considers it his job to prove their inclination correct in assigning him a weekday hosting slot.
“I’m not so naïve that you don’t get this role at age 25 in a market like the Bay Area if you’re not perceived as young and cheap and the industry is booming,” Silver said. “Unfortunately, that’s just not the way things work and I’m grateful, but it speaks like a lot of people have had to pay the price for this too.”
How does Mitch Richmond feel about getting traded to the Sacramento Kings, all these years later?
MITCH: "I'm over it now." TIM: "A month ago he wasn't over it." MITCH: "I'm back mad again." 😂 pic.twitter.com/sH9SCn8kLt
As a young industry professional, Silver looks to keep terrestrial radio and digital audio verticals in the conversation by maintaining a presence on social exhibit platforms. When the on-air light is illuminated, he considers himself to be a performer able to present revelry and embrace self-deprecating humor. Blending elements of entertainment with expertise surrounding the local teams, Silver seeks to inform and occasionally persuade the listening audience while not taking himself too seriously.
“I would say that the sports world is never really worth throwing hate at somebody toward or anything,” Silver explained. “If it’s all fun debates or discussions, then that’s what it’s all about, but [at the] end of the day, this is not life or death, and I think that when I have days and I’ve had shows where I feel a little bit lighter, then I think it ends up being a better product anyway.”
Although Silver always arrives at the studio prepared and equipped with compelling opinions and a shrewd understanding of the marketplace, he does not have a definite future goal in mind. On the contrary, he is staying intensely concentrated on the present tasks at hand and affirms he would need binoculars to have a semblance of a depiction of future success. Aspiring to disseminate the best product possible and honoring the decisions made by the company, he is looking to engender further prosperity and keep up in the race for reach and relevance.
“It’s no secret that things have changed at a fast pace in my time at KNBR with multiple rounds of layoffs and how we’ve done different shows and all of that sort, and so I think when you get too specific, and I will get more specific as time goes on, and I think it’s important to be specific to a degree,” Silver said. “But in this current moment, I’m really just zoned in on everything this has to offer, and whatever it leads to in five years or 10 years, I’m not sure, but the answers will come to me in due time.”
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